Rank Wave Functions by Speed: IV, I, II=III, III

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The problem involves ranking four wave functions based on the magnitude of their wave speeds. The wave functions are expressed in terms of sine and cosine functions, with varying coefficients and phases.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relationship between the wave function's form and the speed of the wave, particularly focusing on the ratio of changes in position and time (dx:dt) to determine speed.
  • Some participants seek clarification on how the x:t ratio relates to wave speed, prompting further explanation of the underlying principles.
  • There are attempts to derive the wave speeds from the given functions, with references to the general form of wave equations.

Discussion Status

The discussion includes various interpretations of the wave functions and their implications for speed. Some participants have provided guidance on analyzing the equations, while others are exploring the concepts without reaching a definitive consensus on the rankings.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the application of wave equations and the implications of the parameters involved. There is a focus on understanding the mathematical relationships rather than arriving at a final answer.

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Homework Statement


8. Four wave functions are given below. Rank them in order of the magnitude of the wave
speeds, from least to greatest.
I. y(x,t) = 5sin(4x − 20t + 4)
II. y(x,t) = 5sin(3x −12t + 5)
III. y(x,t) = 5cos(4x + 24t + 6)
IV. y(x,t) =14cos(2x − 8t + 3)
(A) IV, II, I, III
(B) IV = II, I, III
(C) III, I, II, IV
(D) IV, I, II=III
(E) III, IV, II, I

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The Attempt at a Solution


I don't know how to go about this!
 
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Have you not learned any equations related to one dimensional waves?
You can approach it this way: consider some particular x and t. The equation tells you the value of y at that position and point of time. A short time later, the wave has moved along a bit, so some nearby point has that value of y. Can you see by looking at the equation how to balance a small change in x with a small change in t so that y does not change? What is the ratio of the changes in x and t?
 
Can u explain how the x:t ratio idicates anything about the speed of the wave
 
sugz said:
Can u explain how the x:t ratio idicates anything about the speed of the wave
I thought that's what I explained.
Suppose the wave is y=Asin(ax+bt). For some given x, t, consider a nearby position x+dx at time t+dt. If the wave moves distance dx in time dt then y will be the same: y=Asin(ax+bt)=Asin(a(x+dx)+b(t+dt)). If dx and dt are small, that cannot be achieved by moving along a whole number of wavelengths, so it must be that ax+bt=a(x+dx)+b(t+dt). What do you deduce from that?
 
The functions have the following general form if the wave is in the +x direction

y(x,t) = A sin [k(x − vt) + initial phase]

where the A is amplitude, k is propagation constant, v is velocity, and t is time.

In this case, the velocities are 5, 4, - 6, and 4. So

(B) IV = II, I, III

is correct.

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Örsan Yüksek
 
orsanyuksek2013 said:
The functions have the following general form if the wave is in the +x direction

y(x,t) = A sin [k(x − vt) + initial phase]

where the A is amplitude, k is propagation constant, v is velocity, and t is time.

In this case, the velocities are 5, 4, - 6, and 4. So

(B) IV = II, I, III

is correct.

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Örsan Yüksek
Looks right.
 

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