Ranking Rotational Inertia Task

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The original poster is tasked with ranking four structures based on their rotational inertia about specified axes. The problem involves understanding the factors that influence rotational inertia, particularly the distribution of mass relative to the axis of rotation.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to rank the structures based on intuition and initial reasoning but expresses uncertainty about their conclusions. Some participants suggest using the parallel axis theorem for comparisons, while others emphasize the importance of the distance of mass from the axis of rotation. There is discussion about cancelling equivalent contributions to simplify comparisons.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring different interpretations of how to assess rotational inertia. Some have provided insights into the parallel axis theorem and its implications, while others are still grappling with the concepts involved. There is a recognition of the need for further clarification on certain terms and principles.

Contextual Notes

The original poster mentions that the task is graded on accuracy and is based on pre-lecture exercises, indicating a structured learning environment. There is also a reference to the professor's lecture notes, which may influence participants' understanding of the topic.

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Homework Statement


I'm given the following four structures with their rotational axes marked, I have to rank them from largest to smallest rotational inertias, I have trouble with that apparently.
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Homework Equations


No equations are really necessary, just my book says the more mass there is on one side of the rotation axis, the higher the rotational inertia.

The Attempt at a Solution


I gave the following four answers
a>b>d=c (Before I read the chapter, just using intuition)
a>b>d>c
a>b>c>d (again before I read the chapter, at this point I realized I was completely off)
c=d>b>a (I said c and d are equal because the mass they both separate is about equal, and b is greater than a because it seems it would be "harder" to rotate about that axis then a, a would rotate freely, b would have a bit of trouble, c and d would balance)

Am I thinking about this all wrong (yes)?
 
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You can compare a with c and b with d easily by using the parallel axis theorem (but it should also be reasonably intuitive). Comparing a with b and c with d is somewhat harder. I don't find it intuitively obvious. One trick you can use is to cancel out equivalent contributors. E.g., the horizontal member of b cancels one vertical member of a.
 
It is not a matter of how much is on each side, it is a matter of how far away from the axis of rotation the mass is. Haruspex' suggestion of cancelling equivalent contributions is a good one (I assume all bars are to be considered as having the same length and mass).
 
Orodruin said:
It is not a matter of how much is on each side, it is a matter of how far away from the axis of rotation the mass is. Haruspex' suggestion of cancelling equivalent contributions is a good one (I assume all bars are to be considered as having the same length and mass).
Yeah I read my professor's lecture notes for today (these exercises are prelecture so he knows where we stand, but they're graded on accuracy so I try to get right) and my task here made more sense. I got b>a>d>c, which I think is right. However I do not know the parallel axis theorem, or I have never given it a name. What is that?
 
B3NR4Y said:
Yeah I read my professor's lecture notes for today (these exercises are prelecture so he knows where we stand, but they're graded on accuracy so I try to get right) and my task here made more sense. I got b>a>d>c, which I think is right. However I do not know the parallel axis theorem, or I have never given it a name. What is that?
Yes, I get that answer too.
For present purposes, the parallel axis theorem tells you that the moment of inertia about an axis through the mass centre (as in c and d) is less than about any other axis parallel to it. This tells you a > c and b > d. It remains to compare a and d. For those, you can cancel the horizontal of d with the two lower halves of the verticals in a, and the horizontal of a with one vertical of d. For what's left, it should be evident that a > d.
 

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