Rate of change from one point towards another

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The discussion revolves around the rate of change of the function z=e^(xy+x-y) as one moves from the origin towards the point (2,1). Participants are exploring the implications of directional derivatives in this context.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the relevance of the function in determining the rate of change and the concept of directional derivatives. There is a question about whether to use the starting or ending point in calculations.

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The discussion is progressing with participants sharing insights about the gradient and directional derivatives. Some guidance has been offered regarding the dot product and the importance of the direction of motion.

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There is a focus on the specific wording of the problem, which emphasizes the direction of movement rather than a direct transition from one point to another.

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Suppose z=e^(xy+x-y). How fast is z changing when we move from the origin towards the point (2,1)?



Would it just be 1/sqrt((2^2+1))=1/sqrt(5), i am asking this because does the z=e^(xy+x-y) get used at all?
 
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The function is what entirely determines the answer.
1/sqrt(5) is how much (x,y) is changing----they're asking for how fast z is changing.

Anytime you're looking for a rate of change, you should be thinking about 'derivatives'. In this case, because they're asking about a particular direction of motion, you should be thinking about 'directional derivatives'.
 
So e^(xy+x-y)
<y+1(e^(xy+x-y)), x-1(e^(xy+x-y))>

would you use the starting point or the ending point?
 
Great start Punkyc.

Punkyc7 said:
So e^(xy+x-y)
<y+1(e^(xy+x-y)), x-1(e^(xy+x-y))>
You have the gradient there, good; that's the first part of finding the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directional_derivative" .
The key is taking the dot product of that, with a unit vector in the direction of interest.

Punkyc7 said:
would you use the starting point or the ending point?
Look at the wording of the question carefully. You're not actually moving from the origin to (1,2), but you are at the origin moving in that direction.
 
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So it woud be <1,-1> dot (1/sqrt(5)<1,2>

so we have -1/(sqrt(5))
 
Yup! I think that's it.
Keep in mind: even though this is almost the exact answer you guessed in the first place, that's just a coincidence, and the process is important.
 
Thanks for your help
 

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