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The discussion revolves around finding the rate of change of depth D with respect to time t, specifically when the depth is 22.5 m. The equation provided is D=10(2-(t/14))^2, and participants are exploring the differentiation of this equation to determine the derivative.

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  • Participants discuss the need to differentiate the given equation and question the correctness of their derivatives. There are attempts to clarify the use of the chain rule versus expanding the equation. Some participants express uncertainty about their calculations and the implications of their results.

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There is ongoing exploration of the derivative and its evaluation at a specific depth. Some participants have provided guidance on the differentiation process and the correct application of rules. Multiple interpretations of the derivative's value at the specified depth are being considered, with no clear consensus on the final answer yet.

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Homework Statement


Find the rate of change of depth D with respect to time t
Find the rate of change of depth when the depth is 22.5 m

Homework Equations



D=10(2-(t/14))^2

The Attempt at a Solution


I know I need to determine the derivative for both.
dy/dx =10(2-(t/14))^2
= 10(4+(t^2/196)-2t/14)
= 40 - 10t^2/196 - 40t/14
=-20t/196-40/14
It just doesn't look right to me :/
 
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That looks fine, except that you accidentally turned a plus sign into a minus sign when you opened the brackets: 10(4 + t^2) is 40 + 10t^2, not 40 - 10t^2 :)
That also affects the derivative.

Now find out for which time, the depth D is equal to 22.5 m, and plug that number into the derivative.

(Also, your notation could use some work, but I will leave that until after you have solved the question).
 
CompuChip said:
That looks fine, except that you accidentally turned a plus sign into a minus sign when you opened the brackets: 10(4 + t^2) is 40 + 10t^2, not 40 - 10t^2 :)
That also affects the derivative.

Now find out for which time, the depth D is equal to 22.5 m, and plug that number into the derivative.

(Also, your notation could use some work, but I will leave that until after you have solved the question).

Oh, wait. But then the derivative is positive.

I should say the question: In order to make repairs to a retaining wall that is 40 m high, the water in a conservation reservoir is slowly drained out over a 4-week period. Starting at t=0, the water is released that after t days the water depth D (in metres) is approximated by: (the equation I gave).

Did I do something wrong?
 
Is this the equation you have?

[tex]D=10(2-\frac{t}{14})^2[/tex]

If so, then wouldn't you use the chain rule to get:

[tex] \frac{dD}{dt} = 10(2)[2-\frac{t}{14}]*(-\frac{1}{14})[/tex]

If you were avoiding the chain rule, and expanding instead, then you should have a -4 instead of a -2 here:

dy/dx =10(2-(t/14))^2
= 10(4+(t^2/196)-2t/14)

And you also shouldn't say that it's equal to [tex]\frac{dy}{dx}[/tex], when you haven't differentiated yet. Then below, I don't think it should be a negative ten, but rather positive ten here:

= 40 - 10t^2/196 - 40t/14
=-20t/196-40/14

Once that's fixed it should be equal to the same derivative I got with the chain rule and that will be negative if you fill in 22.5.
 
Ahhh, thank you! I see where I made the mistake. We were supposed to use the power rule on this question.

I got my derivative as: 5t/49 -20/7

is this correct? It looks different than what I got before but I think it's 'cause I simplified it.
 
Hmm.
Find the rate of change of depth when the depth is 22.5 m

My answer for this is -15/7. I don't think this is right though. I equated D= 25 and solved for t which gave me 7 days. So does this mean in a week the rate of change, when the water is 22.5 m, is -15/7?
 
fghtffyrdmns said:
Ahhh, thank you! I see where I made the mistake. We were supposed to use the power rule on this question.

I got my derivative as: 5t/49 -20/7

is this correct? It looks different than what I got before but I think it's 'cause I simplified it.

When I did it, I got:

[tex] <br /> \frac{dD}{dt} = 10(2)[2-\frac{t}{14}]*(-\frac{1}{14}) = -\frac{40}{14} + \frac{20t}{196} = \frac{5t}{49} - \frac{20}{7}<br /> [/tex]

which is exactly what you got. So I think it's likely right. For future reference, if you put the numbers between tags like these: [tex ][/tex ] (without the spaces), you can normally make it a lot nicer looking. Between these tags, fractions are written like \frac{numerator}{denominator}, which looks like [tex]\frac{numerator}{denominator}[/tex].

Hmm.
Find the rate of change of depth when the depth is 22.5 m

My answer for this is -10/7. I don't think this is right though. I equated D= 25 and solved for t which gave me 7 days. So does this mean in a week the rate of change, when the water is 22.5 m, is -10/7?

Did you get -10/7 or -15/7? Not sure either is right...
 
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Oh, thank you.

I just solved it like this: [tex]22.5 = 10(2-(t/14))^2[/tex]

[tex]2.25=(2-(t/14))^2[/tex]
took the square root of both sides

[tex]1.5 = 2 -t/14[/tex]
[tex]t = (1/2)(14)[/tex]
t= 7.

Do I sub this into the derivative or the function?
 
fghtffyrdmns said:
Oh, thank you.

I just solved it like this: [tex]22.5 = 10(2-(t/14))^2[/tex]

[tex]2.25=(2-(t/14))^2[/tex]
took the square root of both sides

[tex]1.5 = 2 -t/14[/tex]
[tex]t = (1/2)(14)[/tex]
t= 7.

Do I sub this into the derivative or the function?

That looks good. Since you're looking for the rate of change, you sub it into the derivative. And yup, -15/7 looks right.

Sorry about doubting you before - I must have been having a weak moment! :wink:
 
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Thank you! I finally understand this much better :)!
 
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No problem. Good luck with the course!
 

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