Rate of change of volume and poisson's ratio

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around deriving an expression for the relative change in volume of a rectangular block of isotropic material subjected to axial deformation, specifically in relation to Poisson's ratio. Participants also explore the relationship between Poisson's ratio, Young's modulus, and shear modulus, as well as the implications of these relationships for the problem at hand.

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  • Homework-related
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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the formula G = E/(2(1+v)) is applicable and expresses uncertainty about the definition of v as Poisson's ratio.
  • Another participant suggests a method for deriving the relative change in volume using partial differentiation of the volume function V(x,y,z) = Kxyz.
  • There is a discussion about the relationship between axial strain and transverse strain, with one participant providing a formula for strain in the x direction that incorporates Poisson's ratio.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about how to relate the problem to Young's modulus and shear modulus.
  • One participant indicates that the original question may not require the approach suggested by others but acknowledges that it could still be possible to derive a solution.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best approach to solve the problem. There are multiple competing views on how to relate the concepts of volume change, Poisson's ratio, and the elastic constants.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the definitions and relationships between the elastic constants, and there are unresolved mathematical steps in deriving the expressions for volume change.

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Homework Statement



Consider a rectangular block of isotropic material of dimensions a, b and c, with c >> a
or b. It is characterised by its elastic constants: Young's modulus E, shear modulus G
and Poisson's ratio .
The block of material is subjected to axial deformation along the c dimension.

1. Derive an expression for the relative change in volume, change in V/
V , in term of Poisson's ratio.
2. Make a plot of the relative change in volume, change inV/ V , as a function of Poisson's
ratio varying from 0 to 0.5.


Homework Equations



Poisson's ratio = - Transverse strain / Axial strain

E = dl/L

The Attempt at a Solution



can the following formula be used G = E/(2(1+v)) i don't know whether v is poisson's ratio or what it is?

assuming the axial load is acting through c

the cross sectional area would be a*b

any help would be great especially if u can help me link poisson's ratio with G and E or explain why i would be required to use change in volume instead of length

cheers NDO
 
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so say, where K is some constant

V(x,y,z) = Kxyz
where x,y,z, represent the linear dimensions of the object

independent small changesdenoted by dx, dy, dz gives (using partial differntiation)

dV = Kyz(dx) + Kxz(dy) + Kxy(dz)

now try dividing through by the volume to get dV/V... and what is dx/x?
 
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I am still unsure as to how i can relate this to Young's modulus E, shear modulus G
 
NDO said:

Homework Statement



Consider a rectangular block of isotropic material of dimensions a, b and c, with c >> a
or b. It is characterised by its elastic constants: Young's modulus E, shear modulus G
and Poisson's ratio .
The block of material is subjected to axial deformation along the c dimension.

1. Derive an expression for the relative change in volume, change in V/
V , in term of Poisson's ratio.
2. Make a plot of the relative change in volume, change inV/ V , as a function of Poisson's
ratio varying from 0 to 0.5.

I don't think the question asks for that...

though if you follow the steps given previously it should be possible anyway

NDO said:
can the following formula be used G = E/(2(1+v)) i don't know whether v is poisson's ratio or what it is?

the v in that equation does represent poisson's ratio, have a look at the following

http://www.efunda.com/formulae/solid_mechanics/mat_mechanics/elastic_constants_G_K.cfm
 
cleaned up original post for clarity
 
for isotropic material,

the deformation of a material in one direction will produce a deformation of material along the other axis in 3 dimensions.
so,

strain in x direction = \frac{1}{E}[stressX - Vpoisson(stressY+stressZ)]

and the similar for the other 2 directions

not sure this could be use in ur question.
 

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