What are the new dimensions of a cube under biaxial forces?

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The discussion revolves around the effects of biaxial forces on a cube with equal dimensions, specifically focusing on how these forces alter the cube's dimensions under different loading conditions. Participants explore the calculations related to tensile and compressive forces, as well as the relevant equations governing strain and stress in materials.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a problem involving a cube subjected to biaxial forces and attempts to calculate the new dimensions based on given parameters.
  • Another participant points out a potential error in the area term used in the calculations, suggesting that it should be clarified.
  • There are multiple references to the equations for strain, with some participants expressing confusion about which equations to use and under what conditions.
  • One participant provides the equation for compressive strain, prompting further discussion about the differences between tensile and compressive forces.
  • There are corrections regarding the calculations for the dimensions of the cube, with some participants indicating that previous calculations were incorrect due to algebraic errors.
  • Participants discuss the implications of applying forces in different directions and how that affects the calculations for strain in the z-direction.

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Participants generally agree on the need to clarify calculations and the correct application of equations, but there remains disagreement on the correctness of specific calculations and the interpretation of results, particularly regarding the z-direction strain.

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Some participants express uncertainty about the application of equations and the assumptions underlying the calculations, particularly in distinguishing between tensile and compressive scenarios. There are also unresolved mathematical steps that affect the overall understanding of the problem.

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Homework Statement


Consider the cube with sides a=b=c=10cm . This block is tested under biaxial forces that are applied in the X and y directions. Assume that the forces applied have equal magnitudes of Fx=Fy=2x10^6 and that the modulus and poissons ratio of the block material is E=2x10^11 Pa and poissons ratio is = 0.3
I) find the new dimensions of sides if both are tensile and I) if Fx is tensile and fy is compressive

Homework Equations


σ=F/A
εX=1/E(σx-νσy)

The Attempt at a Solution


σX=2x10^6/0.1=2x10^7
Same for σy as same variables

εX= 1/2x10^11(2x10^7-0.3(2x10^7))

εX = 7x10^-5

εY= same as same variables

=> a=0.100007m
b=0.100007m
C=0.09993m

I know that this is wrong but I can't seem to figure out why and I can't seem to do when one is tensile and one is compressive could really use help
 
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Confusedbiomedeng said:
σX=2x10^6/0.1=2x10^7
Check the area term in there.

Your work would be much easier to follow if you were to use parentheses as appropriate.
 
haruspex said:
Check the area term in there.

Your work would be much easier to follow if you were to use parentheses as appropriate.
Sorry yes your right it should be 0.01
I mistyped as I only have my phone it's quite hard to reread probably
 
Confusedbiomedeng said:
Sorry yes your right it should be 0.01
I mistyped as I only have my phone it's quite hard to reread probably
It's not just that you mistyped that line, though. You carried the error through the rest of the calculation, no?
 
Also, C is wrong. What is the equation for epsilonC?
 
$$\epsilon_C=-\frac{\nu(\sigma_x+\sigma_y)}{E}$$
 
Chestermiller said:
$$\epsilon_C=-\frac{\nu(\sigma_x+\sigma_y)}{E}$$
And what is the difference then between tensile and compressive ? Also the equations εx=1/E(σx-μ(σy+σz))
εy=1/E(σy-μ(σx+σz))
εz=1/E(σz-μ(σy+σx))

Sorry I got thrown all these equations but no explanation on which or why use them
 
Confusedbiomedeng said:
And what is the difference then between tensile and compressive ?
No. That is just the result of substituting ##\sigma_z=0## into the equation below.
Also the equations εx=1/E(σx-μ(σy+σz))
εy=1/E(σy-μ(σx+σz))
εz=1/E(σz-μ(σy+σx))

Sorry I got thrown all these equations but no explanation on which or why use them
Yes. These equations are correct. You can choose whichever directions you please for the three stresses. In your problem, two of them are non-zero (and equal), and the third is zero.
 
Confusedbiomedeng said:
I got thrown all these equations but no explanation on which or why use them
Then let me break this down: εz=1/E(σz-μ(σy+σx))
With only a force in the x direction, the consequence for the z direction would be εz=(1/E)(-μσx). Similarly for a force in the y direction only.
For a force in the z direction only, the consequence for that direction is (1/E)(σz)
With forces in all three directions, to a first approximation, you can just add them together.
 
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i did it out again , does this look more correct??
 

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Confusedbiomedeng said:
i did it out again , does this look more correct??
Both calculations of C are incorrect. In part (a), you made an algebra error and in part (b) you calculated ##\epsilon_z## incorrectly.
 
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Chestermiller said:
Both calculations of C are incorrect. In part (a), you made an algebra error and in part (b) you calculated ##\epsilon_z## incorrectly.
On the final page is it ? A and B dimensions are correct thou?
 
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Confusedbiomedeng said:
On the final page is it ? A and B dimensions are correct thou?
Yes, A and B are correct. But, there is no calculation on either page for ##\epsilon_z## in case (b)
 

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