Ratio of Kinetic to Potential Energy of Simple Harmonic Oscillator

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The discussion revolves around calculating the ratio of kinetic energy to potential energy for a simple harmonic oscillator (SHO) when its displacement is half of its amplitude. Participants explore the relationships between kinetic and potential energy in the context of harmonic motion.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to understand the relationship between kinetic energy and potential energy at half the amplitude, questioning whether both energies would be half of their maximum values. Some participants suggest using conservation of energy to relate the two forms of energy, while others clarify the non-linear relationship of potential energy with displacement.

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Participants are actively engaging with the concepts of energy conservation and the specific calculations needed to find the kinetic energy at a given displacement. There is a productive exchange of ideas, with some participants providing guidance on how to approach the problem using known equations and principles of energy in simple harmonic motion.

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There is a focus on understanding the implications of energy conservation in a simple harmonic oscillator, with discussions around the maximum potential energy and the total energy of the system. Participants are also considering the implications of amplitude on energy values.

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Homework Statement



Calculate the ratio of the kinetic energy to the potential energy of a simple harmonic oscillator when its displacement is half its amplitude.

Homework Equations



KE=1/2mv2 = 1/2kA2sin2(wt)
U=1/2kx2 = 1/2kA2cos2(wt)
KEmax=1/2kA2
Umax=1/2KA2

The Attempt at a Solution



What I'm thinking is that when the displacement is half the amplitude, the simple harmonic oscillator is halfway to the equilibrium point. When the displacement is half of the amplitude, is the potential energy half of its maximum value? At this point, wouldn't the kinetic energy be half of its maximum value as well? I assumed this is true and attempted to answer the question, which yielded an answer of 1, which is incorrect. Is there something wrong with my logic?
 
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Yes, since the potential energy term goes as the square of the displacement, and not linearly with displacement, half the amplitude does not correspond to half the maximum potential energy.

Just plug x=1/2A into your equation for U=1/2kx^2 and then use conservation of energy to find the kinetic energy at that point.
 
Oh, I see what you're saying...but I'm a little lost at the conservation of energy part. I don't understand how to use that here. I know the potential energy is equal to 1/2k(A/2)^2 but isn't the kinetic energy just equal to 1/2mv^2? I understand that kinetic energy is related to the amplitude of the motion because velocity is related to amplitude...but I'm still not able to see how they are connected.
 
The total energy of the system E=T+U where T is kinetic, and U is potential energy. If you have U and E you can find T. In a SHO E is a constant and does not change. You just found U. Do you know what E is?
 
I took a closer look at my notes. Is the total energy equal to the square of the amplitude?
 
Oh woops, I don't think that makes sense.
 
Ok, at maximum amplitude, v=0, correct? That means at maximum amplitude, T=0. Now if E=T+U (at ALL times), and if T=0 then E=?
 
Yup, that makes sense...so E = U = 1/2kA^2, so at this point U is at its maximum value. As you said, for a simple harmonic oscillator, E is a constant...so this would mean that E is always equal to 1/2kA^2, right?

E=1/2kA^2
U=1/8kA^2
T=?

Is the above correct? Now I'm starting to understand what you're saying. We did some problems like this in class...if you don't know E, you can always choose the point where either T or U is equal to 0 to figure it out...right? I mean, you'd only have to do that if you didn't know one or the either, like in this question.
 
Yes, you are on the right track. Now just figure out T from the above, and take a ratio.

The important thing to note here is that in a SHO, there is no damping. As such there is no dissipation of the energy, so E remains constant.
 
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I got T=3, which is the correct answer. Thanks so much for all your help! :)
 

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