RC time Circuit; charge of capacitor as a function of time derivation

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The discussion revolves around the derivation of equations related to RC time circuits, specifically focusing on the charge of a capacitor as a function of time during charging and discharging processes. Participants are exploring the underlying concepts and mathematical relationships involved in these circuits.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • The original poster attempts to derive the equations for capacitor charge but expresses uncertainty about the setup. They question their assumptions and the validity of their mathematical steps. Other participants question the assumptions made regarding potential drops across components and seek clarification on the relationships between voltage, current, and resistance in the circuit.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants actively questioning assumptions and clarifying concepts related to the charging and discharging of capacitors. Some guidance has been offered regarding the physical interpretation of the circuit elements, but no consensus has been reached yet.

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Participants are grappling with the definitions and relationships of voltage, current, and resistance in the context of RC circuits, and there is a mention of a professor's provided equations that are not fully understood by the original poster.

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Hey guys! New to physicsforums. I wanted to ask a more conceptual question regarding RC time Circuits. I spent some time trying to derive the equations, and I feel like I'm not setting up the problem correctly. Here's my attempt:

Solutions according to profecssor:

1) ##q_{charge}(t)=C\epsilon(1-e^{-\frac{t}{\tau}})##
2) ##q_{discharge}(t)=q_{0} e^{\frac{-t}{\tau}}##

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my attempt at solution 1
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##q##-charge on capacitor
##R##-Resistance encountered in circuit
##C##-Capacitance of capaticor
##\epsilon##-Electromotive Force of battery
##t## -time since capacitor began charging
##\tau## - ##RC##
##i## -current


##C=\frac{q}{\epsilon}##
∴##q=C\epsilon##
##\epsilon=iR=\frac{dq}{dt}R##
∴##q=RC\frac{dq}{dt}=\tau\frac{dq}{dt}##
∴##\frac{1}{q}\frac{dq}{dt}=\frac{1}{\tau}##
∴##\int_0^t \frac{1}{q}\frac{dq}{dt} dt=\int_0^t \frac{1}{\tau} dt##
∴##\int_{q(0)}^{q(t)} \frac{dq}{q}=\int_0^t \frac{1}{\tau} dt##
∴##ln(q(t))-ln(q(0))=\frac{t}{\tau}##
∴##ln(\frac{q(t)}{q(0)})=\frac{t}{\tau}##
∴##e^{\frac{t}{\tau}}=\frac{q(t)}{q(0)}##
∴##q(t)=q(0)e^{\frac{t}{\tau}}##
So it's here that I'm like "I guess ##q(0)=c\epsilon## just for the sake of looking more like the professor's solution" <I realize how stupid this is... lol
∴##q(t)=C\epsilon e^{\frac{t}{\tau}}##

There must be something that I'm just totally missing here. The math seems right, so I'm thinking it's the set-up that I'm missing.

Any help is appreciated! Thank you!
 
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You have assumed that the potential drop across the resistance is the same as that across the capacitor. Is this true or can you think of something else that is more physical?
 
Alright, so I started off on the wrong part. So, I need to derive ##V_{C}(t)=\epsilon(1-e^{\frac{-t}{\tau}})## (This was written on the paper our professor gave us, so as of now it doesn't really mean anything to me.)

So, ##V_{C}=iR##. The current is the same as the current we've been dealing with, but what R is this equation referring to?
 
Let us start studying the charging circuit: Draw the circuit. What will be the potential drop across the capacitor and resistor respectively? What is the potential gain across the battery? How are those related?

For the discharging circuit: it is the same just without the battery.
 

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