Reaching the Rindler horizon in a finite proper time

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The discussion revolves around the properties of timelike geodesics in Rindler spacetime, specifically addressing the conditions under which these geodesics reach the Rindler horizon (X=0) in a finite proper time. Participants explore transformations between Rindler and Minkowski coordinates, the calculation of proper time, and the implications of these transformations on the understanding of the Rindler horizon.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks to demonstrate that timelike geodesics reach the Rindler horizon in finite proper time and questions the necessity of taking T=∞ to find X=0.
  • Another participant discusses the transformation from Minkowski coordinates to Rindler coordinates, providing specific equations and noting the aesthetic considerations of parameterization.
  • A participant raises questions about the derivation of the proper time formula from Sean Carroll's lecture notes and seeks clarification on the transition from a square root expression to a sech-squared term.
  • Clarifications are provided regarding the coordinate transformations and the relationship between the coordinates used in different conventions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty regarding specific transformations and calculations, with no consensus reached on the implications of taking T=∞ or the derivation of certain mathematical expressions.

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Participants reference different conventions for coordinate systems, which may lead to confusion. The discussion includes unresolved mathematical steps and assumptions related to the transformations and calculations involved.

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Hi,

I am trying to show that timelike geodesics reach the Rindler horizon (X=0) in a finite proper time.

The spacetime line element is

[itex]ds^{2} = -\frac{g^{2}}{c^{2}}X^{2}dT^{2}+dX^{2}+dY^{2}+dZ^{2}[/itex]

Ive found something helpful here:

https://www.physicsforums.com/showpost.php?p=3316839&postcount=375

But don't understand why you have to take T=∞ in order to find X=0?

I also don't understand how to work out that the worldine is given by r=(t,sech(t),0,0).

Any help will be greatly appreciated.
 
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teeeeee said:
I also don't understand how to work out that the worldine is given by r=(t,sech(t),0,0).
OK, to be consistent with your notation above I will use (T,X,Y,Z) for Rindler coordinates and I will use (t,x,y,z) for Minkowski coordinates. (This is the opposite of the convention used in the thread you linked to and also the opposite of the convention in the Wikipedia page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rindler_coordinates).

In Minkowski coordinates we can easily see that the worldline [itex]r=(t,1,0,0)[/itex] is a geodesic. Transforming this to Rindler coordinates gives [itex]R=(atanh(t),\sqrt{1-t^2},0,0)[/itex]. Now, this parameterizes the worldline by the Minkowski time coordinate which, although it is not wrong, it is not very aesthetically pleasing. So we solve for t in terms of T:
[itex]T=atanh(t)[/itex]
[itex]t=tanh(T)[/itex]

Substituting that in we get
[itex]R=(atanh(tanh(T)), \sqrt{1-(tanh(T))^2},0,0)[/itex]
[itex]R=(T, \sqrt{(sech(T))^2},0,0)[/itex]
[itex]R=(T, sech(T),0,0)[/itex]

teeeeee said:
But don't understand why you have to take T=∞ in order to find X=0?
We want to find when it crosses the Rindler horizon, which is located at X=0. So, we solve [itex]0=sech(T)[/itex] and get [itex]T=\infty[/itex]
 
Thanks for your quick reply.

Still a couple of things I don't follow...

How exactly do you transform from
[itex]\textbf{r}=(t,1,0,0)[/itex] to [itex]\textbf{R}=(atanh(t), \sqrt{1-t^{2}},0,0)[/itex] ?

DaleSpam said:
Now, to find the proper time we use formula 1.97 in Sean Carroll's lecture notes
[tex]\tau = \int \sqrt{-g_{\mu\nu} \frac{dx^{\mu}}{dt} \frac{dx^{\nu}}{dt}} \, dt = \int sech^{2}(t) \, dt = tanh(t)[/tex]

And how do you get from the square root expression to the sech-squared term?


Thanks for your patience!
 
teeeeee said:
How exactly do you transform from
[itex]\textbf{r}=(t,1,0,0)[/itex] to [itex]\textbf{R}=(atanh(t), \sqrt{1-t^{2}},0,0)[/itex] ?
This follows directly from the coordinate transformation equations (remember their convention is different from yours):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rindler_coordinates#Relation_to_Cartesian_chart

Just substitute in x=1.

teeeeee said:
And how do you get from the square root expression to the sech-squared term?
We have
[tex]\frac{d\mathbf x}{dt} = \frac{d\mathbf r}{dt} = \frac{d}{dt}(t,sech(t),0,0) = (1,-sech(t) \, tanh(t),0,0)[/tex]
[tex]\mathbf g = \left(<br /> \begin{array}{cccc}<br /> -x^2 & 0 & 0 & 0 \\<br /> 0 & 1 & 0 & 0 \\<br /> 0 & 0 & 1 & 0 \\<br /> 0 & 0 & 0 & 1<br /> \end{array}<br /> \right)= \left(<br /> \begin{array}{cccc}<br /> -sech(t)^2 & 0 & 0 & 0 \\<br /> 0 & 1 & 0 & 0 \\<br /> 0 & 0 & 1 & 0 \\<br /> 0 & 0 & 0 & 1<br /> \end{array}<br /> \right)[/tex]
Substituting that in we obtain
[tex]\tau = \int \sqrt{-g_{\mu\nu} \frac{dx^{\mu}}{dt} \frac{dx^{\nu}}{dt}} \, dt[/tex]
[tex]\tau = \int \sqrt{sech(t)^2-sech(t)^2 tanh(t)^2} \, dt[/tex]
[tex]\tau = \int \sqrt{sech(t)^4} \, dt[/tex]
[tex]\tau = \int sech(t)^2 \, dt[/tex]
 

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