Analyzing Spacetime Diagrams: Finding Coordinates and Checking Invariance

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SUMMARY

This discussion focuses on analyzing spacetime diagrams to determine the coordinates of events in different inertial frames, specifically for two rockets moving at relativistic speeds. The rockets are launched from positions x=0 and x=4, with velocities of 0.8c and 0.2c, respectively. The coordinates for events 3 and 4 were initially miscalculated, leading to incorrect results when applying the invariant rule. The correct approach involves accurately drawing world lines and ensuring that the coordinates are represented as (x,t) to avoid confusion regarding the speed of light.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of special relativity concepts, including Lorentz transformations
  • Familiarity with spacetime diagrams and world lines
  • Knowledge of the invariant rule in special relativity
  • Ability to perform calculations involving relativistic velocities (e.g., using c as a unit)
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  • Study Lorentz transformations in detail, focusing on the equations x' = γ(x - vt) and t' = γ(t - vx/c²)
  • Practice drawing spacetime diagrams for various scenarios involving relativistic motion
  • Explore the implications of the invariant rule through multiple examples
  • Learn about the concept of simultaneity in different inertial frames
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Homework Statement



Two rockets are sent off at t=0, one from x=0 and the other at x=4. The rocket leaving from x=0 is moving at .8c and the rocket leaving x=4 is moving at .2c. When the paths of the two rockets meet, they send a light signal to x=0. Read off the coordinates in the S frame and in the S' frame and check to see that the space and time differences between events 3 and 4 satisfy the invariant rule. Event 3 is the light signal being sent out and event 4 is the light signal arriving at x=0.

The S' frame is moving at .6c.

Homework Equations



x' = \gamma(x-vt)

t' = \gamma(t - vx/c^2)

invariant rule: (t4 - t3)^2 - (x4 - x3)^2 = (t'4 - t'3)^2 - (x'4 - x'3)^2

The Attempt at a Solution



So after drawing all world lines, I came up with the coordinates (3.5, 2.75) for event 3 and (0, 6.3) for event 4 in the S frame by looking at the graph. I am confident in these coordinates.

In the S' frame, I came up with (2.8, 1.1) for event 3 and (-6, 9.8) for event 4 in the S' frame. This is where I think there may be a mistake. These are just based off reading the graph, so they are approximate.

Now when I check to see if it satisfies the invariant rule,

(6.3-2.75)^2 - (0-3.5)^2 = (9.8-1.1)^2 - (-6 - 2.8)^2

.3525 = -1.75

Clearly this is not correct. I understand there will be some error since I am just eyeballing the coordinates from the graph, but this seems way off. Does anybody see where I went wrong?
 
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What units are you using? In what direction do the spaceships move? Are the coordinates you're giving (x,t) or (t,x)?
 
Each of the spaceships are moving towards each other. So the ship that launches from x=0 is moving towards x=4 and vice versa. I am giving the coordinates as (x,t).
 
How can the spaceship travel from x=0 to x=3.5 when t goes from 0 to 2.75? Doesn't that mean the ship is moving faster than the speed of light? (I assume you're using units where c=1.)
 
Yes, you're right. I had drawn my line incorrectly. Instead of drawing it as .8c I drew it as 5/4 c. I've got it now. Thanks.
 

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