Real life example of the energy contained at E=γmc^2

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the real-life implications and manifestations of the energy described by the equation E=γmc², particularly focusing on how this energy is present in everyday objects and whether it can be harnessed or utilized. Participants explore theoretical concepts, practical examples, and the nuances of energy equivalence in various contexts, including nuclear reactions and chemical processes.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express amazement at the energy contained in everyday objects, such as a keyboard, and question how this energy can be utilized.
  • Others argue that the energy represented by E=γmc² is not directly usable in practical terms, emphasizing that it is more of an energy equivalence rather than a source of usable energy.
  • A participant suggests that energy could theoretically be extracted from objects by lowering them into a black hole, likening it to extracting energy from a dropping weight.
  • Some participants discuss the energy released in nuclear reactions, noting that the mass of products is slightly less than that of the reactants, which can be calculated using the equation.
  • There is a contention regarding the interpretation of energy density versus mass energy, with some participants clarifying that rest energy is equivalent to mass.
  • One participant critiques the common interpretation of nuclear reactions as examples of mass being converted into energy, suggesting that it is misleading and that energy transformations occur instead.
  • Another participant emphasizes that both nuclear and chemical processes involve converting potential energy into kinetic energy rather than a direct conversion of mass into energy.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally do not reach consensus on the usability of energy described by E=γmc², with multiple competing views on whether this energy can be harnessed in practical applications. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of mass-energy equivalence in nuclear versus chemical reactions.

Contextual Notes

Participants express various assumptions about energy equivalence, usability, and the nature of mass-energy transformations. Some points raised involve complex interactions in nuclear and chemical processes that are not fully resolved within the discussion.

  • #61
gnnmartin said:
I think the equation e=mc^2 should be interpreted as telling us that energy has mass, not that mass is energy. Mass is the unambiguous term, defined by Newton's laws. Energy is ambiguous, since it implies something usable, but its usability depends on the state of our technology and our intentions, and anyhow the usability is limited by the laws of thermodynamics.
As has already been pointed out in this thread, mass in relativity is not defined through Newton’s laws (which are not Lorentz invariant!), but through the square of the 4-momenta of which energy is a component. As such, mass is nothing but the rest energy of a system. The fact that this corresponds to the inertia in the rest frame is the mass-energy equivalence.

Energy in no way implies ”usefulness” - this I have also already pointed out.
 
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  • #62
Ibix said:
##(\gamma-1) mv\simeq mv^2/2##
I think you meant to say
$$(\gamma-1) mc^2\simeq mv^2/2$$
 
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  • #63
DrGreg said:
I think you meant to say
$$(\gamma-1) mc^2\simeq mv^2/2$$
Indeed - now corrected above. Thanks.
 
  • #64
gnnmartin said:
I think the equation e=mc^2 should be interpreted as telling us that energy has mass, not that mass is energy.
Mass is equivalent to rest energy. Two names for the same thing.
 
  • #65
Foruer said:
We've just begun studying about relativity, and I find it amazing that bodies have the energy of E=γmc^2. Even at rest they have E=mc^2.
But where exactly is this energy present in real life? For example the keyboard I am currently typing this post with has a huge amount of energy, according to this equation, but how is it usable?

I think some of the best places to find the presence of "this energy in real life" is to observe nuclear reactions including electron positron annihilation and pair production. There are numerous other reactions which result in mass/energy changes but there are problems in making the necessary observations. For example if we burn methane with oxygen we can easily measure the resulting heat energy and we can equate this to the mass difference between the reactants and the products. But we can't (yet) measure this mass difference accurately by mass measurement techniques. With annihilation/pair production we can measure the energy of gamma rays, for example by using gamma ray spectroscopy techniques and we can measure the mass of electrons and positrons using mass spectoscopy/penning trap techniques.
 

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