Really Challenging Area Between Curves Problem

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The discussion revolves around finding the area between a curve defined by a twice-differentiable function and its tangent line at a specific point. The problem is set within the context of calculus, particularly focusing on integration and the properties of concave functions.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants explore the relationship between the area under the curve and the tangent line, considering various interpretations of the area calculation. There are attempts to express the area as an integral and discussions on the tangent line's equation. Some participants question how to express variables in terms of others and how to minimize the area.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants sharing their attempts to derive the area and the equations involved. Some guidance has been offered regarding the setup of integrals and the differentiation process, but there remains uncertainty about the correctness of the approaches and the minimization of the area function.

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Participants note the challenge of working with a specific function, such as e^x, and the implications of not having a general formula for f(x). There is also mention of homework constraints and the urgency of preparing for an upcoming test.

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Homework Statement


Suppose C:y=f(x) with f a twice-differentiable function such that f''(x)> 0 for each x on the closed interval [0,a] where a is a positive constant. Suppose T is the tangent line to C at a point P= (r,f(r)) on C where r is in the open interval (0,a). Let A be the area of the plane region bounded by the y-axis, the vertical line K: x=a, the curve C, and the tangent line T.

Express A as a function of r.

The Attempt at a Solution



The curve is concave up on the closed interval [0,a]. After sketching the curve, drawing a tangent line at a point P on the interval between 0 and a that lies below the curve, I realized that the area A lies between the curve C, and the tangent line T. The area A could be the integral of C:y=f(x) subtracting the area under the tangent line. A friend and I then thought of interpreting the area below the tangent line T to be a trapezoid (f(0)+f(a))/2. Although the area of the trapezoid doesn't use x as a variable and seems to work, I can't seem to find an expression to substitute r for x in the integral for the area of the curve C. This problem has been bugging me for the past few days, I would sleep a lot better if I can solve it! I would really appreciate it if someone could help me out.
 
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TheIdealist said:

Homework Statement


Suppose C:y=f(x) with f a twice-differentiable function such that f''(x)> 0 for each x on the closed interval [0,a] where a is a positive constant. Suppose T is the tangent line to C at a point P= (r,f(r)) on C where r is in the open interval (0,a). Let A be the area of the plane region bounded by the y-axis, the vertical line K: x=a, the curve C, and the tangent line T.

Express A as a function of r.

The Attempt at a Solution



The curve is concave up on the closed interval [0,a]. After sketching the curve, drawing a tangent line at a point P on the interval between 0 and a that lies below the curve, I realized that the area A lies between the curve C, and the tangent line T. The area A could be the integral of C:y=f(x) subtracting the area under the tangent line. A friend and I then thought of interpreting the area below the tangent line T to be a trapezoid (f(0)+f(a))/2. Although the area of the trapezoid doesn't use x as a variable and seems to work, I can't seem to find an expression to substitute r for x in the integral for the area of the curve C. This problem has been bugging me for the past few days, I would sleep a lot better if I can solve it! I would really appreciate it if someone could help me out.

How about ##e^x##? Won't that work for starters? Worry about the others later if we can just do that one. Then from what you said, I constructed an example for r=1 in the plot below and looks like we need the area of the blue right? If that's so, then it's not hard to find an equation of that tangent line as a function of r right? Once we get that line and we know the function, then we can compose the integral for the two shaded regions as a function of r.

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Thanks for replying! I think I was able to solve for the area for e^x. I integrated f(x)= e^x from 0 to a and got F(x)= e^a-1. I then solved for the tangent line. I think it is f(x)- e^r=(e^r)(x-r). I then have to integrate the difference right? After integrating the difference from 0 to a, I got Area= (e^a) - [(e^r)(a^2)]/[2] - re^r(a) + ae^r - 1. Does this look right?

I also have to prove why the area is minimized when r=a/2.
 
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I don't think working with ##e^x## is very instructive. You need to start by writing the integral for the area in the general case. You can write the equation of the tangent line at ##(r,f(r))## since you also have the slope ##f'(r)## there. Do that and show us the integral you set up for the area.
 
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Ok, after integrating the function f(x) and the tangent line y= f'(r)(x-r)+f(r) on [0,a], I got F(a)-F(0)-[f'(r)a^2]/2 - f'(r)ra + f(r)a. I got this from integrating both the function and the tangent line and setting up a difference between them. Is this correct? If it is, how would I minimize this. The r in my Area function is not a variable, how can I differentiate and use the Extreme Value Theorem on it? Thanks! Please reply ASAP. My test is tomorrow and this is the last thing I need to study.
 
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I don't think working with ##e^x## is very instructive. You need to start by writing the integral for the area in the general case. You can write the equation of the tangent line at ##(r,f(r))## since you also have the slope ##f'(r)## there. Do that and show us the integral you set up for the area.

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Ok, after integrating the function f(x) and the tangent line y= f'(r)(x-r)+f(r) on [0,a], I got F(a)-F(0)-[f'(r)a^2]/2 - f'(r)ra + f(r)a.

Please show your work.

I got this from integrating both the function and the tangent line and setting up a difference between them. Is this correct? If it is, how would I minimize this. The r in my Area function is not a variable, how can I differentiate and use the Extreme Value Theorem on it? Thanks! Please reply ASAP. My test is tomorrow and this is the last thing I need to study.

You can't integrate the area because you don't have a formula for ##f(x)##. You need to do what I suggested. Set up the integral and show us.
 
Is this correct?

\intf(x) - f'(r)(x-r)+f(r).

I solved for the tangent line by solving for y-f(r)=f'(r)(x-r). This is just the generic point slope formula.

I can't find a way to rewrite x in terms of a and r in the integral.
 
TheIdealist said:
Is this correct?

\intf(x) - f'(r)(x-r)+f(r).

I solved for the tangent line by solving for y-f(r)=f'(r)(x-r). This is just the generic point slope formula.

I can't find a way to rewrite x in terms of a and r in the integral.

You have a sign wrong. The integral should be$$
A=\int_0^a f(x)-f'(r)(x-r) - f(r)~dx$$which is a function of ##r##. Now calculate ##A'(r)## assuming you can differentiate under the integral sign, and remembering you are differentiating with respect to ##r##, not ##x##, and set it equal to ##0## looking for a critical point. So you will have integral(something)dx = 0. Now work out that integral remembering the variable is dx and see if you can solve the problem.

It was very late last night when I returned home and after looking at your first method, I think it would work if you do the algebra correctly.
 
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