Really need to read the textbook?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the necessity of reading the textbook in a calculus course, particularly when the professor covers the same material in lectures. Participants share their experiences and opinions on the value of textbook reading versus relying solely on lectures.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants argue that reading the textbook is essential for a deeper understanding and to prepare for potential exam questions that may not be covered in lectures.
  • Others express that since the professor teaches the same material, reading the textbook may be unnecessary and time-consuming.
  • There are claims that passing the course is possible without reading the textbook, but this may lead to a superficial understanding of calculus.
  • Some participants emphasize the importance of striving for a comprehensive understanding rather than just aiming for a passing grade.
  • Concerns are raised about fairness in testing, with some suggesting that professors might include challenging problems from the textbook that are not discussed in class.
  • One participant expresses frustration at the idea of taking a course without fully engaging with the material.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally do not reach a consensus; there are multiple competing views regarding the necessity and value of reading the textbook versus relying on lectures.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express misconceptions about college expectations, noting that the approach to learning and assessment may differ significantly from high school.

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Hello everybody, I am taking a calculus 1 course at my local community college this summer. I was wondering if it is absolutely necessary to read the textbook in math because I see it that the professor teaches the theory and techniques in lecture, and covers the same exact material. Right? What was it like when you went to college? Thank you for any feedback.
 
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Yes, you absolutely need to read the textbook.
 
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Why not read it? There may be more ideas than you think and you may see something that will prompt a question to the prof.

Also some profs, teach one thing in class and then test on stuff from the book + the lecture notes.
 
jedishrfu said:
Why not read it? There may be more than you think and you may see something that will prompt a question to the prof.

Also some profs, teach one thin in class and then test on stuff from the book + the lecture notes.
It takes a lot of time
 
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Ethan Hummel said:
It takes a lot of time

says the lazy student.
 
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Ethan Hummel said:
It takes a lot of time

Yes, studying calculus should take a lot of time.
 
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jedishrfu said:
says the lazy student.
Yeah not going to lie. I don't find it necessary to waste my time though when the professor would cover it in lecture
 
micromass said:
Yes, studying calculus should take a lot of time.
I don't get why i would waste my time though when the professor is going to cover the same material in lecture.
 
Ethan Hummel said:
Yeah not going to lie. I don't find it necessary to waste my time though when the professor would cover it in lecture

1. You won't make it very far in science
2. You won't properly understand calculus
3. It's not a waste of time

But sure, you might pass the course this way.
 
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micromass said:
1. You won't make it very far in science
2. You won't properly understand calculus
3. It's not a waste of time

But sure, you might pass the course this way.
As long as I pass and get that A
 
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Ethan Hummel said:
As long as I pass and get that A

Yep sure. If that's your goal, then you don't need to read the textbook at all.
 
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micromass said:
Yep sure. If that's your goal, then you don't need to read the textbook at all.
Is that sarcasm
 
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Ethan Hummel said:
As long as I pass and get that A

What did you expect us to say? Why did you even bother to ask this knowing what we would say?

I really hope the prof gives you a problem found only in the book and that its one of the tricky ones. Only then will you understand that there's more to getting an A than getting an A. Why not try for a perfect grade of no mistakes now?

Eventually you'll discover that Calculus is child's play compared to the more advanced courses you'll be taking in the future.
 
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jedishrfu said:
What did you expect us to say? Why did you even bother to ask this knowing what we would say?

I really hope the prof gives you a problem found only in the book and that its one of the tricky ones only then will you understand that there's more to getting an A than getting an A.
Well he wouldn't because that's not fair
 
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Ethan Hummel said:
Is that sarcasm

Not at all. If your only goal is to pass the course, then you don't need to read the textbook at all. No sarcasm.

I just find it incredibly stupid to take a course without trying to properly understand the subject completely.
 
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Ethan Hummel said:
Well he wouldn't because that's not fair

It is fair.
 
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micromass said:
Not at all. If your only goal is to pass the course, then you don't need to read the textbook at all. No sarcasm.

I just find it incredibly stupid to take a course without trying to properly understand the subject completely.
Well if I get an A doesn't that mean I do understand the material comprehensively?
 
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Ethan Hummel said:
Well if I get an A doesn't that mean I do understand the material comprehensively?

Not at all.
 
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Ethan Hummel said:
Well he wouldn't because that's not fair

You have so many misconceptions about college. It might not be fair in high school but in college anything is fair even if he mentions some obscure book that pertains to his or her lecture. I've had profs like these and its darn hard to get even a B in the class.

I think its time to close this thread.
 
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