Really Simple Magnitude Question

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The problem involves two crates on a frictionless surface and examines the conditions under which they will move when a horizontal force is applied to one of them. The discussion centers around the relationship between the applied force and the weight of the crates.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the conditions for movement, questioning whether an applied force less than the total weight can still result in motion. They discuss the balance of forces, particularly the cancellation of vertical forces and the implications for horizontal movement.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the concepts of force balance and motion. Some have confirmed that an unbalanced horizontal force is sufficient for movement, while others are clarifying their understanding of the forces at play. There is no explicit consensus, but the discussion is productive in exploring the mechanics involved.

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Participants are considering the implications of a frictionless surface and the nature of forces acting on the crates. The original poster expresses uncertainty about their reasoning and seeks validation of their thoughts.

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Homework Statement


Two crates, A and B, sit at rest side by side on a frictionless horizontal surface. The crates have masses and . A horizontal force is applied to crate A and the two crates move off to the right.

If the magnitude of force is less than the total weight of the two crates, will it cause the crates to move?



The Attempt at a Solution



I already drew the force diagrams for this problem :D with no problems at all.

Now in this question, I just want to make sure that what I am thinking is correct, as I only get one try.

If the magnitude of force is less than the total weight of the two crates, then yes it would cause it too move slightly. As the normal force cancels out with the weight force, causing the "rest state".

At first I was thinking it would not, because the weight force would be bigger than the force of push, but then the force acting from box b to box a would have to be greater than the force applied for it to move.
 
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All you need to start the crates moving is to have an unbalanced force acting on them. The size of the net force doesn't matter. Certainly the vertical forces cancel, but what about horizontal forces?
 
so there is an unbalance of forces, since the vertical forces cancel, and there is a unbalance force in the horizontal. So it will move.
 
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so there is an unbalance of forces, since the vertical forces cancel, and there is a unbalance force in the horizontal. So it will move.
Correct. The only horizontal force is the applied force (there's no friction to oppose it), so the crates will accelerate no matter how small that applied force is.
 

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