Rectangular Plate with Varying Density Across the Width

Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The problem involves a rectangular plate with a length \( l \), width \( w \), and thickness \( t \), where the density varies with distance from one end according to the function \( \rho = \rho_0 [1 + (x/l)^2] \). The objective is to find the mass of the plate and the coordinates of its center of mass.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the use of double and triple integrals to calculate mass and center of mass, with some suggesting the need to clarify assumptions about density variation across the plate's thickness.

Discussion Status

There is ongoing exploration of integration techniques and the implications of density assumptions. Participants are sharing their working and questioning the correctness of their mathematical approaches, with some guidance provided on the necessity of integrating over all dimensions.

Contextual Notes

There is uncertainty regarding the assumption that density is constant over the thickness of the plate, and participants are clarifying the implications of this assumption on their calculations.

taits2204
Messages
6
Reaction score
0
So the question is

A rectangular plate has length l, width w and thickness t. Its density is constant across the width, but varies with distance from one end as ρ=ρo [1 + (x/l)^2] Find the plate’s mass and the coordinates of it’s centre of mass.

I Have had a bash at this question, thinking that you would take the equation given in the question and then just double integrate to find for a small area and then work from there ? , but i don't even know if I'm in the right ball park?
 
Physics news on Phys.org
Why don't you try doing just that and show us what you get?
 
Ive attached a copy of my working to the post, i have a feeling that its my maths that's causing the problems...
 

Attachments

  • IMG_3222.jpg
    IMG_3222.jpg
    30.1 KB · Views: 505
What is the primitive function to 1 when integrated wrt x?

You also need to integrate over y, even if the density is constant in y. Otherwise your units will not make sense in the end as you should end up with a result in units of mass. Note that density has units mass/length^3. The integral over z should be trivial (see the first comment in this message).
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: 1 person
You have only a double integral when you should have either a triple integral or, since the density is constant of the width, that double integral multiplied by the width, w. You say the density is constant over the width but say nothing about how it varies with depth. Are we to assume that it is constant over the thickness? If so then the density is1- the integral with respect to x multiplied by w and t.

By symmetry, the x and z coordinates (length and depth) of the center of mass are (1/2)l and (1/2)t. The y coordinate is [tex]wt\int_0^l x(\rho_0)(1- (x/l)^2)dx[/tex].
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: 1 person
oops .. didnt quote right, sorry :P
 
taits2204 said:
HallsofIvy said:
Are we to assume that it is constant over the thickness? If so then the density is1- the integral with respect to x multiplied by w and t.

I've just copied the question, so yeah i would assume that the density is also constant over the thickness of the plate. I'll take a crack at that and see what i get :) thanks
 
HallsofIvy said:
By symmetry, the x and z coordinates (length and depth) of the center of mass are (1/2)l and (1/2)t. The y coordinate is [tex]wt\int_0^l x(\rho_0)(1- (x/l)^2)dx[/tex].

You mixed x and y coordinates. You also need to divide by the total mass, the given expression does not have dimension of length.
 
Orodruin said:
You mixed x and y coordinates. You also need to divide by the total mass, the given expression does not have dimension of length.

so where do i go from here then ?
i solved the integral HallsofIvy gave me, giving me 1/4 ρ0l2ωt woudlnt that just mean that the coordinates for the COM are (1/4 ρ0l2ωt , ω/2 , t/2)
 
  • #10
No, as I said he is expression for the x-coordinate must be divided by the total mass, which you still have to solve for correctly.
 
  • #11
so would it be right to say

dm = ρowt[1+(x/l)^2) dx

wo xdm = ∫woρowt[1+(x/l)^2) x dx
and then solve from there ?
 

Similar threads

Replies
3
Views
1K
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K
  • · Replies 10 ·
Replies
10
Views
5K
  • · Replies 23 ·
Replies
23
Views
6K
  • · Replies 16 ·
Replies
16
Views
2K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 17 ·
Replies
17
Views
3K
  • · Replies 37 ·
2
Replies
37
Views
6K