Reduction Formulae Question : In= ∫x(cos^n(x))

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The discussion revolves around the integral \( I_n = \int_0^{\pi/2} x \cos^n(x) \, dx \) for \( n \ge 0 \). Participants are tasked with deriving a reduction formula and finding the exact value of \( I_3 \). The problem involves integration techniques and notation issues related to formatting mathematical expressions.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the use of integration by parts and discuss the challenges in expressing the integral in the required form. There are questions about notation clarity and formatting issues that affect understanding.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered clarifications on the notation and have attempted to restate the problem more clearly. There is an ongoing exploration of integration techniques, particularly integration by parts, but no consensus on a specific method or solution has been reached.

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Participants note difficulties with the notation and formatting of the integral, which may hinder communication. The original poster's attempts to convey the problem have led to some confusion, prompting clarifications from others.

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Homework Statement


Let In = ∫x(cos^n(x)) with limits between x=π/2, x=0 for n≥0
i) Show that nIn=(n-1)In-2 -n^-1 for n≥2
ii) Find the exact value of I3

Homework Equations


∫u'v = uv-∫uv' is what I use for these questions

The Attempt at a Solution


Rewritten as ∫ xcos^n-1(x) cosx
u'=cosx v= xcos^n-1x
u= sinx v'= cos^n-1 -x(n-1)sinxcos^n-2x
But I can't seem to write it in the form it asks for.
 
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k1902 said:

Homework Statement


Let In = ∫x(cos^n(x)) with limits between x=π/2, x=0 for n≥0
i) Show that nIn=(n-1)In-2 -n^-1 for n≥2
ii) Find the exact value of I3
Your questions are indecipherable. Strange notation and no parentheses.
 
k1902 said:

Homework Statement


Let In[ i] = ∫x(cos^n(x)) with limits between x=π/2, x=0 for n≥0
i) Show that nIn=(n-1)In-2 -n^-1 for n≥2
ii) Find the exact value of I3
Part of the problem is that if you type i in brackets, the browser things you mean the change the font type to italics. Besides that, it's hard to tell exactly what the problem is you're trying to solve.

Here's what I think you meant.
Let ##I_n = \int_0^{\pi/2} x \cos^n(x) dx##, with ##n \ge 0##
i) Show that ##n I_n = (n - 1)I_{n-2} - n^{n - 1}##, for ##n \ge 2##.
ii) Find the exact value of ##I_3##.
Is this anywhere close to what you're asking?

PS - I used LaTeX to format what I wrote. We have a tutorial here: https://www.physicsforums.com/help/latexhelp/. This is under the INFO menu, under Help/How-to.
k1902 said:

Homework Equations


∫u'v = uv-∫uv' is what I use for these questions

The Attempt at a Solution


Rewritten as ∫ xcos^n-1(x) cosx
u'=cosx v= xcos^n-1x
u= sinx v'= cos^n-1 -x(n-1)sinxcos^n-2x
But I can't seem to write it in the form it asks for.
 
Mark44 said:
Part of the problem is that if you type i in brackets, the browser things you mean the change the font type to italics. Besides that, it's hard to tell exactly what the problem is you're trying to solve.

Here's what I think you meant.
Let ##I_n = \int_0^{\pi/2} x \cos^n(x) dx##, with ##n \ge 0##
i) Show that ##n I_n = (n - 1)I_{n-2} - n^{n - 1}##, for ##n \ge 2##.
ii) Find the exact value of ##I_3##.
Is this anywhere close to what you're asking?

PS - I used LaTeX to format what I wrote. We have a tutorial here: https://www.physicsforums.com/help/latexhelp/. This is under the INFO menu, under Help/How-to.
Sorry, I'm new here and have no idea how to format the text.
But yes that's what I was trying to write , except part i) is i) Show that ##n I_n = (n - 1)I_{n-2} - n^{- 1}##, for ##n \ge 2##.
Thanks for the help with formatting :)
 
LCKurtz said:
Your questions are indecipherable. Strange notation and no parentheses.
Apologies for that, here's the cleaned up, comprehensible version of the question (thanks to Mark44):
Let ##I_n = \int_0^{\pi/2} x \cos^n(x) dx##, with ##n \ge 0##
i) Show that ##n I_n = (n - 1)I_{n-2} - n^{- 1}##, for ##n \ge 2##.
ii) Find the exact value of ##I_3##.
 
k1902 said:
Apologies for that, here's the cleaned up, comprehensible version of the question (thanks to Mark44):
Let ##I_n = \int_0^{\pi/2} x \cos^n(x) dx##, with ##n \ge 0##
i) Show that ##n I_n = (n - 1)I_{n-2} - n^{- 1}##, for ##n \ge 2##.
ii) Find the exact value of ##I_3##.
I would try integration by parts twice, starting with ##u = \cos^n(x), dv = xdx##. After the second integration by parts, you should have an equation that you can solve algebraically for ##I_n## in terms of ##I_{n - 2}## and other terms.
 

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