Reduction of quaternary ammonium salt

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The reduction of quaternary ammonium salts, specifically Ph-CH2-CH2-N+Me3, using Zn-Hg in HCl is ineffective as the N+Me3 group remains intact. In contrast, reductions with LiAlH4 or NaBH4 disrupt the N+Me3 group, leading to potential products such as ethylbenzene. The Wolff-Kishner reduction is also capable of disturbing the quaternary ammonium group, although the final product remains uncertain. The discussion highlights the complexity of reducing quaternary ammonium compounds and the potential for side reactions when carbonyl groups are present.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of quaternary ammonium salts
  • Familiarity with reduction reactions using LiAlH4 and NaBH4
  • Knowledge of Wolff-Kishner and Clemmensen reduction methods
  • Basic organic chemistry concepts regarding leaving groups and nucleophiles
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  • Research the mechanisms of LiAlH4 and NaBH4 reductions on quaternary ammonium salts
  • Study the Wolff-Kishner reduction process and its applicability to various functional groups
  • Explore the role of leaving groups in organic reactions, particularly in quaternary ammonium compounds
  • Investigate potential side reactions when reducing compounds containing both carbonyl groups and quaternary ammonium groups
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Chemists, organic synthesis researchers, and students studying reduction reactions in organic chemistry will benefit from this discussion.

AdityaDev
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I am confused with the reduction of quaternary ammonium salt.
##Ph-CH_2-CH_2-N^+Me_3##
on reduction with Zn-Hg in HCl will not work. The -NMe3 is not disturbed(given in my text). But why?
Also the text says On reduction with LiAlH4 or NaBH4, -NMe3 would be disturbed. what would be the product? In which way will the reaction proceed?
Wolf-kishner reduction will disturb the group. But what would the final product be?
 
AdityaDev said:
reduction of quaternary ammonium salt.
Are you certain you haven't confused reduction of the anion of a quaternary ammonium compound with the cation, and omitted the identity of the anion being reduced?
 
Are you talking about an "acid-base" neutralization reaction? There is no N+ cation in aqueous solution.
 
I may be wrong, but I don't remember quaternary ammonium compounds as particularly good substrates for reductions.
The Me3N+ group looks like a leaving group to me, and that Ph in 2 may allow elimination pathways.
So, treating the compound in the OP with bases may give styrene; nucleophiles (Nu-) may give Ph-CH2-CH2-Nu (so perhaps hydride donors would give ethylbenzene? Not sure though).
In any case, I don't see why one would try Wolff-Kishner or Clemmensen conditions (normally used to reduce phenyl ketones to alkylbenzenes) on a compound like that.
Or maybe the 'text' is trying to show us that you'd have side reactions if you tried to reduce a carbonyl group on a molecule that also contains a quaternary ammonium group.
Bizarre though. :O/
 

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