Reflection vs absorption and emission

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the differences between reflection of radiation and emission after absorption, particularly in the context of how the Earth interacts with solar radiation. Participants explore the mechanisms behind these processes and the implications for the emission of infrared radiation from the Earth's surface.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that there is a significant difference between reflection and emission, noting that reflection is a coherent process while emission involves randomization of phases due to quantum mechanics.
  • One participant suggests that the Earth emits its own radiation, with energy absorbed by various degrees of freedom before being redistributed and re-emitted, potentially at different frequencies.
  • Another participant mentions that the radiation emitted by objects is temperature radiation, which varies continuously with temperature, and that the dominant wavelength for the Earth is in the infrared region.
  • There is a suggestion that the emission of radiation at different frequencies than those absorbed can occur due to internal processes within the material.
  • Some participants reference the concept of blackbody radiation to explain the emission characteristics of the Earth.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that there is a difference between reflection and emission, but the specifics of these processes and the implications for the Earth's radiation emissions remain contested and not fully resolved.

Contextual Notes

Some claims rely on complex interactions at the molecular level and the specifics of quantum mechanics, which may not be fully detailed in the discussion. The relationship between temperature and emitted radiation is also noted but not exhaustively explored.

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Greetings,

Is there a difference between reflection of radiation and emission after absorption? What causes this difference?

Another related question: According to wikipedia: "Earth's surface and the clouds absorb visible and invisible radiation from the sun and re-emit much of the energy as infrared back to atmosphere" (source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infrared#Earth_as_an_infrared_emitter)

Does the Earth actually emit some of the absorbed visible sunlight as infrared, or is it only infrared part of solar radiation that it simply emits back as infrared? What causes any object to emit radiation at a different frequency than the frequency it absorbed?

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ViolentCorpse said:
Is there a difference between reflection of radiation and emission after absorption?
Yes.

ViolentCorpse said:
What causes this difference?
I don't know how to explain it simply. Looking at https://www.physicsforums.com/insights/do-photons-move-slower-in-a-solid-medium/ might give you some clues; the interaction of light with solids is somewhat complicated.

ViolentCorpse said:
Does the Earth actually emit some of the absorbed visible sunlight as infrared, or is it only infrared part of solar radiation that it simply emits back as infrared? What causes any object to emit radiation at a different frequency than the frequency it absorbed?
The Earth emits its own radiation, as any warm body will (look up blackbody radiation). Light will be absorb by a given degree of freedom (electronic, vibrational, etc.), then the energy will be redistributed to other modes by internal processes (without emission of radiation), eventually new radiation will be emitted.
 
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ViolentCorpse said:
Is there a difference between reflection of radiation and emission after absorption?
Yes, a great difference. Reflection is a coherent process and specular reflection at a perfectly flat surface will give you an Image. If every photon is absorbed and re emitted by an individual molecule, there cannot be a coherent image because the phases of all the wavelets are all randomised due to the way QM works.
In real life there will be a mixture of the two effects and some photons may interact with individual molecules causing frequency selective loss - which will make an object look coloured, as well as giving good reflections off a surface (i.e. you can see and identify the surface and objects reflected in it).
 
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In general the radiation which is emitted by objects is called temperature radiation and has a spectrum of frequencies which vary in a continuous manner. The dominat wavelength shifts to lower side as the temperature rises. The temperature of Earth is such that the dominant wavelength is in Infrared region. Please read about balck body radiations or temperature radiation. these are not due to atomic transitions of electrons, which give discrete spectrum certain frequencies are emitted and the frequencies which lie in between are not emitted.
More after you ask some more related questions after reading about it.
 
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Thank you, people. Your posts have been very helpful! Appreciate it a lot!
 

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