Fraunhofer Lines: Absorption & Re-emission in Solar Atmosphere

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The discussion revolves around the Fraunhofer lines observed in the solar spectrum, specifically addressing the reasons behind the strong absence of certain frequencies and the processes of absorption and re-emission in the solar atmosphere. The conversation touches on theoretical and conceptual aspects of light interaction with the solar atmosphere.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why the Fraunhofer lines are so dark, suggesting that while absorption occurs in the solar atmosphere, re-emission in all directions should allow some light to escape.
  • Another participant explains that the Fraunhofer lines occur due to light passing through cooler gas surrounding the Sun, which does not radiate those frequencies.
  • A participant raises a question about the temperature of the solar atmosphere, suggesting that low temperatures may result in fewer collisions and questioning the saturation of excited atoms in the gas.
  • Another participant comments that the darkness of the lines is a perceptual effect, contrasting them with the adjacent bright sections of the spectrum.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the mechanisms behind the Fraunhofer lines, with no consensus reached on the reasons for their darkness or the implications of re-emission in the solar atmosphere.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions regarding the behavior of excited atoms and the conditions in the solar atmosphere remain unresolved, and the discussion does not clarify the specific interactions leading to the observed spectral lines.

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Hello people,

I was wondering, why the absence of certain frequencies in the sun spectrum (fraunhofer lines) is so strong? In all pictures I have seen so far these lines are very dark, so there is nothing reaching us at these frequencies. Why is that?

The absorption occurs in the solar atmosphere. But also, there must be a re-emission of these missing frequencies, and the re-emission occurs in all spatial directions equally. Therefore some of the light should be able to exit the solar atmosphere, because the probability of going back to the sun equals the probability of going the other way around.
 
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Anton Alice said:
Hello people,

I was wondering, why the absence of certain frequencies in the sun spectrum (fraunhofer lines) is so strong? In all pictures I have seen so far these lines are very dark, so there is nothing reaching us at these frequencies. Why is that?

The absorption occurs in the solar atmosphere. But also, there must be a re-emission of these missing frequencies, and the re-emission occurs in all spatial directions equally. Therefore some of the light should be able to exit the solar atmosphere, because the probability of going back to the sun equals the probability of going the other way around.
The Fraunhoffer lines occur when light passes through relatively cool gas surrounding the Sun. The gas is too cool to radiate those frequencies. You can see the same in the lab if you pass a sodium light through a flame into which a bit of salt has been placed. The Fraunhoffer lines are best seen when the light beam passes through the cool area above the incandescent flame.
 
The temperature in the solar atmosphere is about 6000K, why is this low? Do you mean, that there are only few collisions occurring?
tech99 said:
The gas is too cool to radiate those frequencies.
But at some point in time the gas in the solar should be saturated with exited atoms, and all the light should be able to pass through.

The exited state in a single, isolated Atom (no collisions) should still have an intrinsic and finite lifetime due to vacuum fluctuation.
 
Anton Alice said:
these lines are very dark, so there is nothing reaching us at these frequencies.

They only appear (to our eyes+brain) to be very dark, by contrast with the adjacent bright sections of the spectrum.
 

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