Refractive index- will it travel back along the same way?

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of light rays as they travel between different media with varying refractive indices, particularly focusing on the direction of travel when moving from a medium of higher refractive index to one of lower refractive index. Participants explore concepts related to refraction, total internal reflection, and the use of experimental setups like refractometers and spectrometers to measure refractive indices.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether a light ray traveling from a medium with refractive index n2 to n1 will return along the same path, particularly when the angle of incidence is 90 degrees.
  • Another participant asserts that if the light ray is treated as a ray and does not hit the boundary, it will travel straight without refraction.
  • Some participants discuss the implications of the critical angle, noting that no refraction occurs for angles greater than the critical angle when starting in a denser medium.
  • There is mention of an experimental setup involving an Abbé refractometer, which can analyze small liquid samples to determine refractive indices.
  • One participant describes using a spectrometer to measure the refractive index and expresses confusion about how monochromatic light is perceived in the context of refraction.
  • Another participant elaborates on the mechanics of light rays in relation to the refractometer, suggesting that the incident ray must graze the surface to be refracted just under the critical angle.
  • Concerns are raised about whether the light source illuminates the entire face of the prism or just a thin beam, which could affect the observed results.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the behavior of light at the boundary between media, particularly regarding the conditions under which refraction occurs. There is no consensus on the precise mechanics of light behavior in this context, and multiple competing interpretations are present.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific experimental setups and theoretical concepts, but there are unresolved questions about the assumptions underlying their discussions, particularly regarding the nature of light rays and the conditions for refraction and reflection.

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Refractive index----- will it travel back along the same way?

From the picture
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:RefractionReflextion.svg
If I travel a light ray from n2 to n1 , I think the light ray will travel in the opposite direction shown in the first picture.
But what about the second? The light that 90 degree will find the same way back? I think it should go straight? How should the light travel and why?
Thanks
 
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Treating it is a ray, it would simply go straight since it isn't hitting the boundary and trying to move from one medium to another.
 
Drakkith said:
Treating it is a ray, it would simply go straight since it isn't hitting the boundary and trying to move from one medium to another.

I agree. There is no refraction for any angle of incidence greater than the critical angle - and that includes 90 degrees. (It goes without saying that we are starting in the more dense medium.)
 
Then is this picture correct?
This is an experiment to find the region n2 refractive index
 

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That equipment is based on the Abbé refractometer(?) which can be used to analyse tiny samples of liquids. So, yes, you could use it.
 
No, I am using spectroscopy and prism to detect the refraction index.
 
Outrageous said:
No, I am using spectroscopy and prism to detect the refraction index.

Are you using total internal reflection to find the refractive index, or what?
 
Sorry, it is spectrometer.
Yup it is use to find the refractive index of the glass cell.
My book says : a sharp boundary distinguishes the bright from the dark region because no rays are refracted with an angle of refraction larger than critical angle.
So ? I think the refraction will occur along the liquid glass interface. But I feel I still don't understand how the monochromatic light ray is seen.
 
From wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abbe_refractometer

A light source is projected through the illuminating prism, the bottom surface of which is ground (i.e., roughened like a ground-glass joint), so each point on this surface can be thought of as generating light rays traveling in all directions. A detector placed on the back side of the refracting prism would show a light and a dark region.

Is your light source illuminating the entire face of the prism, or is it a single thin beam? I'd expect it to be the former, as I don't see how a thin beam at a 90 degree angle will be refracted or reflected anywhere.
 
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Drakkith said:
Are you using total internal reflection to find the refractive index, or what?

Looking at the diagram again, it would appear that it is not using 'reflection' but just the limiting case of refraction as the critical angle. (Reflection must obey the laws of reflection and that ray is not reflecting) The incident ray must be traveling along the 'inside' of the liquid and just grazing the inside surface, to be refracted to just under the critical angle and into the prism. If you look at Abbe refractometers, the setup is pretty much the same, looking at the extinction angle. Of course you need a monochromatic light source or the critical angle is not so easy to find (refractive index is wavelength sensitive).
 

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