Regarding when to consider both laminar and turbulent flow

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the conditions under which to consider both laminar and turbulent flow over a flat plate, particularly in relation to heat transfer coefficients and the Reynolds number. Participants explore the implications of flow regimes on heat transfer calculations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether to assume turbulent flow throughout the plate or to consider both laminar and turbulent conditions, citing a lack of equations for local heat transfer coefficients in mixed flow scenarios.
  • Several participants suggest that the determination of flow type (laminar, turbulent, or mixed) is dependent on the Reynolds number.
  • A participant requests the Reynolds number value at a specific length (L=2m) to assess the flow type, referencing the transition range from laminar to turbulent flow.
  • Another participant provides a calculated Reynolds number of approximately 27x10^5 at L=2m, indicating that most heat transfer occurs in the transition region, which introduces uncertainty in heat transfer coefficient values.
  • One participant questions whether a flow velocity of 0.25 m/s is too low to achieve turbulence.
  • A participant calculates a Reynolds number of about 2.5x10^6 at L=200 cm for liquid propane, agreeing with previous calculations and suggesting that most of the plate would be in the transition zone.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the Reynolds number is a critical factor in determining flow type, but there is no consensus on the implications for heat transfer coefficients or the exact conditions under which to consider laminar versus turbulent flow.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the transition region and its impact on heat transfer calculations, highlighting the need for further clarification on local heat transfer coefficients in mixed flow conditions.

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For flow over a flat plate when should i assume turbulent flow all over the plate and use the related equations(nusselt number) and when to use the laminar and turbulent equation(Nusslet number)
Hello,i am just a college student who has a little confusion on when to consider both laminar and turbulent flow -say over a flat plate,should i assume turbulent flow all over the plate and use the related equations(nusselt number) or use the laminar and turbulent equation(Nusslet number) but if so there i couldn't find an equation for finding local heat transfer coefficient(hx) for laminar and turbulent condition.

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Here should i consider laminar&turbelnt conditio or just assume turbulent all over.

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I believe whether or not its turbulent or laminar, or mixed is based on the Reynolds number?
 
What is the value of the Re at L=2m in your example? Compare this with the transition from laminar to turbulent flow which occurs in the range Re=3x10^5 to Re=3x10^6.
 
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erobz said:
I believe whether or not its turbulent or laminar, or mixed is based on the Reynolds number?
yes,but Re greater than (say for flat plate)5*10^5 is going to be turbulent right if it is mixed when its going to be turbulent.
 
Chestermiller said:
What is the value of the Re at L=2m in your example? Compare this with the transition from laminar to turbulent flow which occurs in the range Re=3x10^5 to Re=3x10^6.
its about 27 *10^5 sir.
at x=2
 
FebinThomas said:
its about 27 *10^5 sir.
at x=2
If th is calculated value is correct, then it sounds like most of the heat transfer is in the transition region. So there is going to be significant uncertainty in the values of the heat transfer coefficients.
 
Wouldn’t 0.25 m/s be too slow for turbulence?
 
At 300 K, the density of liquid propane is 0.493 gm/cc and the viscosity is 0.001 gm/cm-sec. So, under these conditions, I calculate a Re of about 2.5x10^6 at L = 200 cm, in agreement with your calculation. Most of the plate would be judged to be in the transition zone.
 
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