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Homework Help: Related Rates Involving a Cone

  1. Dec 9, 2009 #1
    1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data

    Water is being drained from a container which has the shape of an inverted right circular cone. The container has a radius of 5.00 inches at the top and a height of 7.00 inches. At the instant when the water in the container is 4.00 inches deep, the surface level is falling at a rate of 0.7 in/sec. Find the rate at which water is being drained from the container.

    2. Relevant equations

    v=1/3 pi r^2 h

    3. The attempt at a solution

    The values I came up with are as follows.

    h=4 (of water level)
    r=2.86 (of water level found using equal triangles)
    dV/dt= what I am solving for
    dh/dt = -0.7

    Whenever I take the derivative of the volume equation I end up with a dr/dt that I have no idea what to do with. Am I just doing it wrong and getting the dr/dt when I shouldn't?

    I also noticed in a few google results they'd used similar triangles to get r in terms of h. But whenever I do that, I get an actual value for r and the h goes away. Perhaps this is where I am messing up?
     
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  3. Dec 9, 2009 #2
    So I tried it without the r variable using r=5h/7 instead. That seemed to work because I got an answer that seems more reasonable, 17.955.

    Is there any reason to do that? I am guessing because in this case you can only deal with two variables because of that dr/dt you end up with??
     
  4. Dec 10, 2009 #3

    HallsofIvy

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    Yes, you can do that. The water takes the shape of the cone so no matter what the height of the water in the cone, you will always have r= (5/7) h. Draw a picture and think about "similar triangles".
     
  5. Dec 10, 2009 #4
    So is the main reason why you use r= (5/7)h is to get rid of the r in the equation? Because I have the actual value for h. But if I plug it in, I end up with that dr/dh again that I don't know what to do wtih.
     
  6. Dec 10, 2009 #5

    Mark44

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    Yes, you want to get rid of one variable so that you can write V as a function of a single variable, and then get dV/dh and dh/dt. After you have found those, then you can substitute the known values at the particular time.
     
  7. Dec 10, 2009 #6
    Sweet. Thank you both. It is much appreciated.
     
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