Relation between gibbs free energy and equilibrium constant

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The discussion centers on the relationship between Gibbs free energy (ΔG) and the equilibrium constant (Keq), specifically how to derive the Nernst equation from the equation ΔG=ΔG°+RT ln(Q). Participants clarify that ΔG can be expressed as ΔG = -nFE and ΔG° = -nFE°, allowing for algebraic manipulation to connect these equations. The conversation also touches on the confusion surrounding the variable Q and its equivalence to Keq, with practical examples provided to illustrate the calculations involved.

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I am familiar with the equation ΔG=ΔG°+RT ln(Q).But I can't derive it.We have to use the equation to derive nernst equation. So please help.
 
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I don't remember the derivation of the above equation off the top of my head, but I'm sure you can google it or look in any intro to the Thermodynamics or Physical Chemistry text.

As far as deriving the Nernst equation from what you have:

ΔG = -nFE and ΔG° = -nFE°

plug those two into ΔG = ΔG° + RTlnQ and do some simple algebraic rearranging.

This may not be useful to you if you are in an advanced class which requires derivations of the equations that I have taken for granted. In other words this is a pseudo-derivation applicable to a freshman level Gen. Chem. course.
 
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morrobay said:
In this reference , post #2 PhaseShifter states: q = Keq
Can someone show how this is ?

Do you know what Q is? (To be honest using q is IMHO confusing).
 
Borek said:
Do you know what Q is? (To be honest using q is IMHO confusing).

Thanks, was looking at q as in heat. There is not a question on the equivalence of ΔG for
ΔG = -RTlnKeq and ΔG = ΔH - TΔS as Ill show for anyone who wants to see it
N2 + 3H2 --> 2NH3
Keq = (NH3)2/(N2)(H2)3 = 6.73 * 105 , lnK=13.4 , RT= 2.473 kJ/m So ΔG = -RTlnK = -33kJ/m
In agreement with ΔG = ΔH - TΔS
ΔH = -92kJ/m, T = 298K , ΔS = -198J/m
-33kJ/m = -92kJ/m + 59kJ/m
 
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