Relation Between Protons and Properties.

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The discussion centers on the relationship between the number of protons in an element and the resulting differences in properties such as color, texture, and form, with specific examples of gold and mercury. The scope includes theoretical considerations from quantum mechanics and chemistry.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the number of protons dictates the number of electrons, which in turn influences the geometry of electron shells through quantum mechanics principles.
  • Another participant posits that gold, with 79 protons, has an unfilled electron shell that allows for stronger bonding interactions, while mercury, with 80 protons, has filled shells that result in weaker bonding, contributing to its liquid state.
  • It is proposed that the electron shells determine the atomic radius, which affects crystal structure and energy levels, ultimately influencing the colors that can be absorbed or emitted.
  • One participant asserts that it is the electrons that determine the chemical properties of elements.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the role of protons versus electrons in determining chemical properties, with some emphasizing the importance of electrons while others discuss the implications of proton numbers. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the primary factors influencing elemental properties.

Contextual Notes

There are assumptions about the relationship between protons, electrons, and chemical properties that are not fully explored. The discussion also relies on principles from quantum mechanics and theoretical chemistry that may not be universally accepted or fully understood by all participants.

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How does a difference in the number of protons in an element lead to such a difference in the properties (color, texture, form, etc.) of elements? I.E Gold and Mercury. This question has been driving me crazy and I would really appreciate any answers. Thank You.
 
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Here's a sample crude line of thought.

1. The number of protons dictate the number of electrons.

2. The number of electrons, along with shroedinger's equation and the exclusion principle (Quantum Mechanics), dictate the geometry of the electron shells.

3. In gold 79, the odd number suggests there is a shell that is not filled, so the nucleus can better interact through it and make bonds with other atoms.

4. In mercury 80, the number is even, and it so happens that its particular shells better hide the nucleus from exterior atoms. Bonds are thus much weaker than with gold. In the case of mercury, so weak that it's liquid (in Xenon, so weak that it's gas).

Another line of thought :

The shells dictate the atomic radius, which largely defines crystal structure, which defines the energy levels, which define which colors can be absorbed or emitted.

The shape of electron orbitals are described by quantum mechanics, and how these orbitals define macroscopic properties is the subject of theoretical chemistry.
 
its the electrons that determine the chemical properties
 
Dr Lots-o'watts said:
Here's a sample crude line of thought.

1. The number of protons dictate the number of electrons.

2. The number of electrons, along with shroedinger's equation and the exclusion principle (Quantum Mechanics), dictate the geometry of the electron shells.

3. In gold 79, the odd number suggests there is a shell that is not filled, so the nucleus can better interact through it and make bonds with other atoms.

4. In mercury 80, the number is even, and it so happens that its particular shells better hide the nucleus from exterior atoms. Bonds are thus much weaker than with gold. In the case of mercury, so weak that it's liquid (in Xenon, so weak that it's gas).

Another line of thought :

The shells dictate the atomic radius, which largely defines crystal structure, which defines the energy levels, which define which colors can be absorbed or emitted.

The shape of electron orbitals are described by quantum mechanics, and how these orbitals define macroscopic properties is the subject of theoretical chemistry.

Your awesome thanks a bunch.
 
granpa said:
its the electrons that determine the chemical properties

yea i see that now.
 

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