RElation of partial differential operator and Basis vector

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between partial differential operators and basis vectors, particularly in the context of vector spaces formed by derivatives of curves. Participants explore the implications of these relationships in various coordinate systems and transformations, including those relevant to general relativity.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the derivation of a specific expression involving partial derivatives and basis vectors, seeking clarification on the relationship between them.
  • Another participant suggests that derivatives of curves form a vector space and discusses the identification of vectors with these derivatives, noting the importance of checking closure under addition.
  • A different participant explains that the symbol ∂/∂xi represents the tangent vector of a curve, proposing that these tangent vectors form a natural basis for the tangent space in a given coordinate system.
  • One participant raises a question about the nature of coordinate transformations in general relativity, specifically whether transformations from curved spacetime to Lorentzian flat spacetime are fundamentally different from transformations between curved coordinate systems.
  • Another participant challenges the relevance of coordinate transformations to the definition of a vector, asserting that vector definitions are coordinate independent.
  • A later reply references a specific text on gravitation, implying a connection between tangent spaces and coordinate systems, but does not clarify the relationship further.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between coordinate transformations and vector definitions, with some asserting that vectors are coordinate independent while others emphasize the role of coordinate systems in defining vectors and transformations. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these relationships.

Contextual Notes

Participants do not fully explore the implications of their claims regarding vector spaces and coordinate transformations, leaving some assumptions and definitions unaddressed.

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Hi everyone:

How is the following derived? Just for example:

\Deltax\alphae\alpha=\Deltax\alpha(\delta/\deltax\alpha)

does it not mean?

e\alpha=\delta/\deltax\alpha

But How?
 
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Some really odd notation there...but ok. Basically these derivatives of curves form a vector space (one should check that they do, the only non-trivial property of vector spaces to be checked is closure under addition), and so you can identify your vectors with them. They are derivatives of arbitrary functions. One could also associate the vector field with the equivalence class of curves which have the same tangent at the point you are looking at. It depends on what "correspondence" you want to make.
 
The symbol ∂/∂xi stands for the tangent vector of the curve a → (0, ..., a, ...) where a is in the i'th position. This set of tangent vectors associated with a coordinate system is a natural basis for the tangent space when working with those coordinates.
 
So, typically almost all coordinate transformations that I came across in GR or even in introduction to tensors include coordinate transformation including the above transformation. <I did not bother to write it again sorry.>

So, does that mean, all transformation involve transformation from curved spacetime to lorentzian flat space time?
Is it radically different if the transformation involves transformation from one curved coordinate system to another curved spacetime?

Thank You.
 
What does this have to do with coordinate transformations? The definition of a vector is coordinate independent.
 
I mean in tangent space,

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SCR= MTW Gravitation

So is it not associated with coordinate systems and transformations.
 

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