Relations on Sets: Need help understanding a mistake

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The problem involves determining whether the union of two transitive relations, ##R## and ##S##, on a set ##A##, is also transitive. The original poster presents an attempt at a proof and a counterexample to support their reasoning.

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  • The original poster attempts to prove the transitivity of ##R \cup S## by considering cases based on membership in either relation. They also provide a counterexample to challenge their own proof. Other participants question the validity of the proof and the assumptions made regarding the elements of the relations.

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Participants note that the original proof incorrectly assumes that elements can be treated exclusively within one relation when considering the union. There is also mention of the need to address the definitions and properties of relations more rigorously.

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Homework Statement


Suppose ##R## and ##S## are relations on a set ##A##.

If ##R## and ##S## are transitive, is ##R \cup S## transitive? Why?

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The Attempt at a Solution


Suppose that ##a## is an arbitrarily but particularly picked element of ##R \cup S##, then
$$a \in R \ \text{or} \ a \in S$$
By division into cases, suppose ##a \in R##,
Suppose ##b,c## are elements of ##R##, such that ##(a, b) \in R## and ##(b,c) \in R##
By definition of ##R##, ##(a,c) \in R##

I then carried out the exact same steps for the case ##a \in S## and concluded that ##R \cup S## is transitive.

However, I also managed to find a counter example by defining ##A = \{ a,b,c \}##, ##R = \{ (a,b) \}##, ##S = \{ (b,c) \}##, ##R \cup S = \{ (a,b) , (b,c) \}##. The fact that ##b \in R \cap S## suggests to me that my division into cases wasn't done right, but aren't my steps analogous to the division into cases seen in problems with statement variables?

Thanks in advance for any assistance!
 
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WWCY said:
Suppose that ##a## is an arbitrarily but particularly picked element of ##R \cup S##, then
$$a \in R \ \text{or} \ a \in S$$
By division into cases, suppose ##a \in R##,
Suppose ##b,c## are elements of ##R##, such that ##(a, b) \in R## and ##(b,c) \in R##
By definition of ##R##, ##(a,c) \in R##

Just because ##a \in R## doesn't allow you to restrict yourself to ##R## for any remaining arbitrary elements of ##R \cup S##.

I'm not familiar enough with the specific material to help further, but aren't relations a subset of the Cartesian product of a set with itself?
 
PS Your counterexample is valid. Your proof is invalid because a) it treats relations as subset of ##A##; and b) the mistake that without loss of generality you can take all elements to be in ##R##.
 
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WWCY said:
If ##R## and ##S## are transitive, is ##R \cup S## transitive? Why?
If ##(x,y)\in R\cup S## then it is in either of them, say in ##R##. Then for any ##a\in A## we find a path ##(x,y) \sim \ldots \sim (z,a)## in ##R \subseteq R\cup S##.
 
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