Relationship between Fourier and Mellin transforms

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between the Fourier and Mellin transforms, specifically whether the Mellin transform of a function can be expressed in terms of the Fourier transform. The conversation explores theoretical aspects and mathematical definitions related to these transforms.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the validity of using an imaginary unit (-is) as an argument in the Fourier transform, suggesting that this may not conform to the standard definition of the Fourier transform.
  • Another participant proposes a substitution in the Mellin integral that leads to a form resembling the Fourier transform, indicating a potential relationship between the two transforms.
  • A third participant emphasizes that the Fourier transform is typically defined for real arguments, raising concerns about the implications of using imaginary arguments on the properties of the Fourier transform, such as orthogonality and convergence.
  • Another participant counters that the arguments for Fourier and Laplace transforms can indeed be complex, providing a Mathematica example to illustrate the calculations and results related to the Mellin transform.

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Participants express differing views on the use of imaginary arguments in the Fourier transform and whether this affects the validity of relating it to the Mellin transform. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing perspectives presented.

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There are unresolved questions regarding the definitions and properties of the Fourier and Mellin transforms, particularly concerning the use of complex arguments and the implications for convergence and orthogonality.

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Hello,

it is possible to prove that the Mellin transform of a function f(x) can be expressed in terms of Fourier transform, namely:

[tex]\mathcal{M}\{f(x)\}(s) = \mathcal{F}\{f(e^{-x}\}(-is)[/tex]

I am not convinced of that imaginary unit i as argument of the Fourier transform. In fact, since the argument (-is) is imaginary, that is not a Fourier transform anymore.

I don't see I could compute a Mellin transform using a Fourier transform. Am I missing something?
 
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If you let:

[tex]F(f)=\int_{-\infty}^{\infty} e^{-i x z} f(x)dx[/tex]

[tex]M(f)=\int_0^{\infty} x^{s-1}f(x)dx[/tex]

can you not let v=-ln(x) in the Mellin integral and come out with:

[tex]\int_{-\infty}^{\infty} e^{-izv}f(e^{-v})dv\biggr|_{z=-is}=F(f(e^{-v})\biggr|_{z=-is}[/tex]
 
Yes.
But you plugged -is as argument of the Fourier transform.
I thought the Fourier transform was defined only for real arguments.

In fact, if the argument is real the Fourier bases are complex sinusoids e-isx=cos(x)-isin(x), while if you use imaginary arguments you get real exponential functions esx: sin and cos disappear, the bases are not orthogonal anymore, Fourier integrals might not converge, and some theorems of Fourier theory might not be valid anymore :-|
 
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mnb96 said:
Yes.
But you plugged -is as argument of the Fourier transform.
I thought the Fourier transform was defined only for real arguments.
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The arguments for Fourier and Laplace transforms are in general, complex. Also, this is what I did in Mathematica to check this. Notice in th second calculation, you need to substitute s=-iz to obtain the Mellin result

Code:
f[x_] := Exp[-x^2]

Integrate[x^(s - 1)*f[x], {x, 0, Infinity}]

Integrate[Exp[(-I)*s*x]*f[Exp[-x]], 
  {x, -Infinity, Infinity}]

Out[6]=
ConditionalExpression[(1/2)*Gamma[s/2], Re[s] > 0]

Out[7]=
ConditionalExpression[(1/2)*Gamma[(I*s)/2], 
  Im[s] < 0]
 
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