Relationship between pressure & chem potential in ideal gas

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between pressure and chemical potential in an ideal gas, specifically focusing on deriving the equation $$ \frac{\partial p}{\partial T}\bigg)_\mu = \frac{S}{V} $$ as part of a larger problem set. The participants explore the implications of the ideal gas law and the Gibbs free energy in this context.

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  • Participants discuss rearranging equations related to chemical potential and pressure, examining the implications of the Gibbs free energy, and considering the total differentials involved. Questions arise regarding the definitions of reference pressure and chemical potential, as well as the relevance of the original problem's context.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights and guidance on the relationships between the various thermodynamic quantities. Some participants suggest examining the problem from different angles, while others express uncertainty about specific definitions and their implications for the problem at hand.

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The problem is part of a multipart question that includes deriving related formulas and finding the pressure of an ideal gas as a function of chemical potential and temperature. Participants are navigating through these interconnected concepts without reaching a definitive conclusion.

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Homework Statement



(Excerpted from a longer, multipart problem but essentially)

Show that for an ideal gas,
$$ \frac{\partial p}{\partial T}\bigg)_\mu = \frac{S}{V}. $$

Homework Equations



• The ideal gas law, of course
$$ pV = Nk_{\rm B}T $$
• Pressure, temperature, and chemical potential are related in an ideal gas via
$$ \mu-\mu_0=k_{\rm B}T\ln\frac{p}{p_0} $$
• The Gibbs free energy
$$ G = E - TS + pV = \mu N $$
• Hopefully not the Sackur–Tetrode equation.

The Attempt at a Solution



Thoughts regarding left-hand side:

So I rearranged the ##\mu## equation for ##p##:
$$ p(T,\mu) = p_0e^{(\mu-\mu_0)/k_{\rm B}T}. $$
Computing the partial derivative,
$$ \frac{\partial p}{\partial T}\bigg)_\mu = -\frac{\mu-\mu_0}{k_{\rm B}T^2}p. $$
By the ideal gas law ##p/k_{\rm B}T = N/V##, so
$$ \frac{\partial p}{\partial T}\bigg)_\mu = \frac{(\mu_0-\mu)N}{VT}. $$

Thoughts regarding the right-hand side:

From the definition of the Gibbs free energy,
$$ \frac{S}{V} = \frac{E + pV - \mu N}{VT}. $$

These two would be equal if
$$ E + pV = \mu_0N $$
in an ideal gas. But I don't really understand what the definition of the "reference" pressure and chem. potential ##p_0## and ##\mu_0## are. So maybe this is true, but if it is I don't know why!

…Or perhaps there's an altogether different starting point or process that gives the result. I am by no means married to my approach here.
 
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Hi. Chemical potential is the partial molar Gibbs free energy, so for a pure substance (ideal gas) it is equal to the molar Gibbs free energy and you have:
dμ = dG = –SdT + VdP
Now examine this for fixed μ...
 
Goddar said:
Hi. Chemical potential is the partial molar Gibbs free energy, so for a pure substance (ideal gas) it is equal to the molar Gibbs free energy and you have:
dμ = dG = –SdT + VdP
Now examine this for fixed μ...

I agree. I knew I was going to get myself in trouble for excerpting this out of a larger question.

The greater context of the problem is:

(a) Derive the formula ##N{\rm d}\mu=-S{\rm d}T+V{\rm d}p##.

(b) Derive the general formulas ##\dfrac{\partial p}{\partial T}\bigg)_{\mu}=\dfrac{S}{V}## and ##\dfrac{\partial p}{\partial\mu}\bigg)_{T}=\dfrac{N}{V}##.

(c) Find the pressure p of an ideal gas as a function of µ and T. Use this to verify the two equations from part (b) for the specific case of an ideal gas.​

So your response is very relevant to parts (a) and (b), but I am now working on part (c).
 
Ok. To get to (a) and (b), remember that: G = μN = U–TS + PV and also: dU = TdS–PdV + μdN
Play with the differential dG...
thecommexokid said:
(c) Find the pressure p of an ideal gas as a function of µ and T. Use this to verify the two equations from part (b) for the specific case of an ideal gas.
(Isn't that the relation you were trying to use in your first post? How did you obtain it then?)
Hint: use the relation in (a) at fixed temperature and the equation of state for an ideal gas...
 
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Okay, for posterity's sake, here's what I ultimately came up with. I suspect I go around in circles a little and could streamline some parts, but it'll do.$$\require{cancel}$$(a) The Gibbs free energy is
$$
G = E - TS + pV = \mu N,
$$
Consider its total differential:
$$
{\rm d}G = {\rm d}E - T{\rm d} S - S{\rm d} T + p{\rm d} V + V{\rm d} p = \mu{\rm d} N + N{\rm d}\mu.
$$
Solve for ##N{\rm d}\mu##:
$$
N{\rm d}\mu = {\rm d} E - T{\rm d}S - S{\rm d}T + p{\rm d} V + V{\rm d}p - \mu{\rm d}N.
$$
Substituting for ##{\rm d}E##,
$$
{\rm d} E = T{\rm d}S - p{\rm d} V + \mu{\rm d} N,
$$
we find
$$
N{\rm d}\mu = (\cancel{T{\rm d} S} - \cancel{p{\rm d} V} + \cancel{\mu{\rm d} N}) - \cancel{T{\rm d} S} - S{\rm d} T + \cancel{p{\rm d} V} + V{\rm d} p - \cancel{\mu{\rm d}N}
= -S{\rm d} T + V{\rm d} P.
$$

(b) Our result from part (a) above reads
$$
N{\rm d}\mu = -S{\rm d}T + V{\rm d}p.
$$
If we suppose ##\mu## to be held constant, this reads
$$
0 = -S{\rm d} T + V{\rm d} p \qquad\Rightarrow\qquad S = V\frac{\partial p}{\partial T}\bigg)_{\mu}.
$$
Or if we suppose instead that ##T## is held constant,
$$
N{\rm d}\mu = 0 + V{\rm d} p \qquad\Rightarrow\qquad N = V\frac{\partial p}{\partial\mu}\bigg)_{T}.
$$

(c) The energy of a monatomic ideal gas is
$$
E = \frac32Nk_{\rm B}T.
$$
The entropy of a monatomic ideal gas is
$$
S = Nk_{\rm B}\bigg(\ln\frac{V}{Nh^3}(2\pi mk_{\rm B}T)^{\frac32}+\frac52\bigg).
$$
The volume of an ideal gas is
$$
V = \frac{Nk_{\rm B}T}{p}.
$$
Combine all these expressions into the relation ##E - TS + pV = \mu N##:
$$
\frac32Nk_{\rm B}T - TNk_{\rm B}\bigg(\ln\frac{k_{\rm B}T}{h^3p}(2\pi mk_{\rm B}T)^{\frac32}+\frac52\bigg) + Nk_{\rm B} T = \mu N.
$$
Divide through by ##Nk_{\rm B}T##:
$$
\cancel{\frac32} - \ln\frac{k_{\rm B}T}{h^3p}(2\pi mk_{\rm B} T)^{\frac32} - \cancel{\frac52} + \cancel{1} = \frac{\mu}{k_{\rm B}T}.
$$
Solving for ##p##,
$$
p(\mu, T) = \frac{(2\pi m)^{\frac32}}{h^3}(k_{\rm B}T)^{\frac52}e^{\mu/k_{\rm B}T}.
$$

The derivatives under consideration are
$$
\frac{\partial p}{\partial T}\bigg)_{\mu} = \frac{(2\pi m)^{\frac32}}{h^3}\bigg(\frac52k_{\rm B}^{\frac52}T^{\frac32}\bigg)e^{\mu/k_{\rm B}T} + \frac{(2\pi m)^{\frac32}}{h^3}(k_{\rm B}T)^{\frac52}\bigg({-\frac{\mu}{k_{\rm B}T^2}}e^{\mu/k_{\rm B}T}\bigg)=\bigg(\frac52\frac1T - \frac{\mu}{k_{\rm B}T^2}\bigg)p
$$
and
$$
\frac{\partial p}{\partial\mu}\bigg)_{T} = \frac{(2\pi m)^{\frac32}}{h^3}(k_{\rm B}T)^{\frac52}\bigg(\frac{1}{k_{\rm B}T}e^{-\mu/k_{\rm B}T}\bigg) = \frac{1}{k_{\rm B}T}p.
$$
Therefore
$$
V \frac{\partial p}{\partial T}\bigg)_{\mu}= V\bigg(\frac52\frac1T - \frac{\mu}{k_{\rm B}T^2}\bigg)p = \frac52Nk_{\rm B}- \frac{\mu N}{T};
$$
but we want to get the entropy back in there somehow, so
$$
V \frac{\partial p}{\partial T}\bigg)_{\mu}= \frac52Nk_{\rm B}- \frac{E-TS+pV}{T} = \cancel{\frac52Nk_{\rm B}} - \cancel{\frac32Nk_{\rm B}} + S - \cancel{Nk_{\rm B}} = S.
$$
And, more straightforwardly,
$$
\frac{\partial p}{\partial\mu}\bigg)_{T} = V\frac{1}{k_{\rm B}T}p = N.
$$
 
That's one way to go... I'm guessing there's a quicker way directly from the partition function to the derivatives of U or F (Helmholtz free energy), but it really comes down to the same calculations minus the detour so your answer works regardless.
 

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