Relative Humidity (RH) affecting atmospheric attenuation of light?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the impact of relative humidity (RH) on atmospheric attenuation of light, particularly in the context of observing sunsets and moonlight under varying humidity conditions. Participants explore how changes in humidity levels might affect light visibility and intensity, with a focus on specific scenarios comparing low and high RH environments.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how relative humidity alone affects atmospheric attenuation, specifically comparing sunset/sunrise conditions in Arizona (15% RH) to South Carolina (90% RH).
  • Another participant extends the inquiry to moonlight, asking if lux levels differ between a full moon at 170 degrees to the horizon in environments with 100% RH versus 0% RH, assuming minimal pollution and flat terrain.
  • Several sources are referenced that discuss atmospheric light absorption and scattering in relation to humidity, though one participant notes that many articles focus primarily on electromagnetic waves rather than light specifically.
  • There is a suggestion that the effects of humidity on light may vary with frequency, particularly within the visible spectrum, indicating that red, green, and blue light may be affected differently.
  • One participant proposes that absolute humidity, rather than relative humidity, might be a more significant factor in understanding light attenuation, especially at high humidity levels where mist could form.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the significance of relative versus absolute humidity in relation to light attenuation. There is no consensus on the key factors affecting atmospheric attenuation, and the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the answers may depend on specific conditions such as frequency of light and environmental factors like pollution and terrain, which complicates the inquiry.

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Ok, so I have another question that online searches have not been able to produce. Everything I've seen online references sound waves, or RF signals, or electromagnetic waves. I know that the reason we can view sunsets and sunrises safely is because of atmospheric attenuation - the amount of "material" (water vapor, pollution, topography, foliage, etc), and of course the more oblique, the more substance there is for the light to travel - but I'm trying to find a publication that can tease out how relative humidity (alone) impacts the degree of atmospheric attenuation. Let's say we are comparing a sunset/sunrise in Arizona with 15% RH, compared to a sunset/sunrise with 90% RH in SC. How much of an impact does that added amount of humidity have? To go with extremes, to make it easy, let's just compare an RH of 0% to an RH of 100%.

As always, any insight helps.
 
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Just so no one thinks the difference might be negligible, I'm doing this in reference to moonlight, at moonrise/ moonset, with the various phases of the moon. Of course a full moon would be the easiest to envision. So the question would be, on the night of a full moon, when the moon is at 170 degrees to the horizon, in an environment with 100% humidity, compared to a full moon at 170 degrees to the horizon with 0% humidity, would the amount of lux vary? And let's consider both locations to be of reasonable distance from any sources of air pollution. And both are nearly flat, so minimal interference from topography or foliage.
 
^that first link seemed to be mostly concentrated around electromagnetic waves, correct? It only mentions light a couple of times in the article.

I used your search string and came up with several new pubs I had not seen. I'll dig through those. Most seem to be dancing around the immediate question, but I suppose that is to be expected. Perhaps it is just a more involved answer.
 
But light is electromagnetic waves. It differs from radio only by frequency.

Even within the visible spectrum, the answer for red light may be different than green, and different than blue.

Good luck digging. You're sure to learn something interesting.
 
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I'd be surprised if relative humidity was the key factor, unless it was so high that mist was starting to form. I think you should be asking about absolute humidity--the actual amount of water vapour in the air.

Edit: There's about twice as much water vapour in the air at 50% RH and room temperature, than at 100% RH and the freezing point.
 
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Interesting, thanks for that suggestion. I'll look more into that
 

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