Relativistic Centre of Momentum Frame

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The problem involves a collision between two identical particles, one moving at a speed of 0.546c and the other at rest, within the context of special relativity. The objective is to determine the speed of the center of momentum frame S' where the total momentum of the system is zero.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between the velocities of the particles in different frames and the implications of relativistic effects on momentum. There is an exploration of the need for relativistic corrections when calculating velocities in the center of momentum frame.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into the relationships between the velocities of the particles in different frames and have begun to apply Einstein's velocity addition formulas. There is an acknowledgment of the complexity introduced by relativistic effects, with some guidance offered regarding the calculations involved.

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Participants are navigating the constraints of special relativity and the implications of using non-relativistic assumptions in a relativistic context. There is an ongoing examination of the definitions and setups required for the problem.

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Homework Statement


A particle of mass m ha speed 0.546c relative to inertial frame S. The particle collides with an identical particle at rest in the inertial frame S. Relative to S and in terms of c, what is the speed of S' in which the total momentum of these particles is 0.

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I can see that in the S' frame, Pa = - Pb so that means that Va = - Vb since both masses are equal. But I just can't get my head around why i need to use special relativity because everything is in reference to the S frame anyway.
 
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xoxomae said:
that means that Va = - Vb
That's correct, but it doesn't answer the question. They want you to tell them the value of Va. THe naïve non-relativistic answer is that it's half of 0.546c, ie 0.273c but that answer is wrong because it doesn't allow for the fact that, if you choose a frame that has velocity 0.273c relative to the first one, the velocities of the two particles will NOT be 0.273c and -0.273c respectively, because of the relativistic corrections.
 
Pa=-Pb and Va=-Vb are not in S.
 
S' frame is moving at a velocity v w.r.t S frame.
Let velocity of Particle 1 = U1 in S frame and particle 2 = U2 in S frame therefore Particle 1 = U1' and particle 2 = U2' in S' Frame
Since particle 2 is at rest in S frame, its velocity in S' frame is equal to the velocity of the S' frame relative to S i.e. v=u2'
So in a centre of momentum frame u2'= - u1' = v

Using Einstein velocity addition formulas and setting c to 1

u2' = ( u2 - v ) / (1-v/c) = v

When solved gives v = 0.297c

Does this seem right?
 

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