Relativistic corrections to classical physics formulae

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The discussion revolves around how classical physics formulas, such as momentum and kinetic energy, are modified to incorporate relativistic corrections. Participants explore the application of Lorentz transformations and the use of 4-vectors in these corrections, along with examples and conceptual clarifications.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about the treatment of classical formulas with relativistic corrections, questioning whether Lorentz transformations are used.
  • One participant asserts that classical formulas must remain unchanged under Lorentz transformations but does not elaborate on the process.
  • Another participant expresses confusion regarding the differences between classical and relativistic formulas, particularly in relation to Lorentz transformations.
  • A participant suggests that using 4-vectors provides a more natural framework for relativistic formulas compared to 3-vector notation, citing specific equations involving 4-velocity and proper acceleration.
  • One participant provides a specific example of relativistic momentum as p = γ m0 v, explaining the transition from Newtonian mass to relativistic mass and noting the complexity of the relationship between force and acceleration in relativistic contexts.

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Participants express varying degrees of understanding and confusion regarding the application of relativistic corrections to classical formulas. There is no clear consensus on the best approach or the specifics of the corrections, indicating multiple competing views remain.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations include the lack of detailed explanations on how Lorentz transformations are applied to classical formulas and the unresolved complexities in the relationship between force and acceleration in relativistic physics.

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How are classical formulas in physics (such as p = mv, or kinetic energy, or maxwell distribution of speeds) treated with the appropriate relativistic correction/modification? Is it done by using the Lorentz transformation equations? Could anyone give me a few examples of relativistic corrections to classical formulae? Thanks.
 
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Positron137 said:
How are classical formulas in physics (such as p = mv, or kinetic energy, or maxwell distribution of speeds) treated with the appropriate relativistic correction/modification? Is it done by using the Lorentz transformation equations? Thanks.
Yes. The formulas must remain unchanged when subjected to the Lorentz transformation process. (But don't ask me how they actually do it.)
 
Thanks! :) yeah sometimes I get confused when looking at the classical formulas, and the relativistic version, and try to see how its done using the Lorentz stuff.
 
IMO, the best approach is to learn about 4-vectors. Typically, the relativistic formulas look natural as 4-vectors, while sometimes looking 'unnatural' in 3-vector notation.

For example, starting with 4-velocity as the derivative of (t,x,y,z) by proper time ([itex]\tau)[/itex], denoted U, you have:


p = m U ; m is (rest) mass, p momentum.

A = proper acceleration = what is measured by an accelerometer = dU/d[itex]\tau[/itex]

F = dp/[itex]\tau[/itex] = m A

(in the above, I assume a particle whose rest mass does not change).

Note, this approach explains the disfavor of relativistic mass: there is no relativistic mass in any of the above forumulas. The factor γ is buried within U (and in a more complex way, within A).
 
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Positron137 said:
How are classical formulas in physics (such as p = mv, or kinetic energy, or maxwell distribution of speeds) treated with the appropriate relativistic correction/modification? Is it done by using the Lorentz transformation equations? Could anyone give me a few examples of relativistic corrections to classical formulae? Thanks.
The relativistic corrections to the first:

p = γ m0 v, with m0 = "rest mass" (the Newtonian mass concept which assumes that inertial effects are independent of speed had to be abandoned). As PAllen mentioned relativistic mass, it is easy to see where the concept of "relativistic mass" came from: one can bundle γm0 together as m = "relativistic mass", so that one gets again p = m v.

Further, F = dp / dt remains unchanged.

However, the relationship between force F and acceleration a - coordinate acceleration of an object as measured in an inertial system - is much more complex; that's a neat textbook exercise. :-p
See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Force#Special_relativity
 
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