Relativistic Energy of a Ball: Understanding the Equivalence of Mass and Energy

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the mass-energy equivalence theorem and its implications for the energy of a ball at rest and when elevated to a height. Participants explore the relationship between rest energy, potential energy, and the conditions under which these energies are considered.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that the energy of a mass m at rest is given by E=mc2, questioning if this energy is converted to potential energy (mgh) when the ball is raised to height h.
  • Others argue that the energy to raise the ball is typically provided by an external force, suggesting that the rest energy of the ball remains constant and is not fully converted to potential energy.
  • A participant introduces the idea that if the ball is made of radioactive material, it could release energy according to the equation ΔE=c2Δm, which could lead to significant energy release.
  • There is a discussion about the distinction between the energy of the isolated ball (E=mc2) and the potential energy of the ball/earth system (mgh), with some participants questioning how these energies relate to the total energy of the ball.
  • One participant expresses confusion regarding the relationship between mc2 and mgh, noting that mgh can be quantitatively larger than mc2 in terms of Joules.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the relationship between rest energy and potential energy, with multiple competing views presented regarding how these energies interact and the conditions under which they apply.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions of energy in different contexts (isolated system vs. system with external forces) and the implications of radioactive decay on energy calculations.

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according to mass-energy equivalent theorem, Regardless of whether the object is at rest or moving, the object of mass m having energy E=mc2.

suppose a ball of mass m is placed on ground, then how much energy this ball have?
Is it equal to E=mc2 ??
now if we place this ball above the ground up to height h, Is this mean all Energy of ball (i.e E=mc2) is converted to potential energy (mgh) ?
if so this ball have so much tremendous energy!
how it can be possible?
 
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astro2cosmos said:
according to mass-energy equivalent theorem, Regardless of whether the object is at rest or moving, the object of mass m having energy E=mc2.

suppose a ball of mass m is placed on ground, then how much energy this ball have?
Is it equal to E=mc2 ??
now if we place this ball above the ground up to height h, Is this mean all Energy of ball (i.e E=mc2) is converted to potential energy (mgh) ?
if so this ball have so much tremendous energy!
how it can be possible?

If the ball went up to h all by itself, then yes. Usually ball's don't do that, and the rest energy of a small fraction of its mass would usually blast the ball well above escape velocity if it did.

Usually the energy to raise the ball h is added by some other force, thus the rest energy of the ball is constant.
 
astro2cosmos said:
according to mass-energy equivalent theorem, Regardless of whether the object is at rest or moving, the object of mass m having energy E=mc2.

suppose a ball of mass m is placed on ground, then how much energy this ball have?
Is it equal to E=mc2 ??
now if we place this ball above the ground up to height h, Is this mean all Energy of ball (i.e E=mc2) is converted to potential energy (mgh) ?

No, it isn't. But , if the ball is made out of a radioactive material and you let it sit on your desk, it will release an energy:

\Delta E=c^2 \Delta m

Now, this can be a tremendous amount of energy due to the huge value of the conversion factor c^2


if so this ball have so much tremendous energy!
how it can be possible?

If it is radioactive, this is how it is possible. Be careful when you play with radioactive tennis balls :-)
 
astro2cosmos said:
Energy of ball (i.e E=mc2) is converted to potential energy (mgh) ?

mc<sup>2</sup> is descriptive of the isolated ball. mgh is an energy of the ball/earth system. Unfortunately, this potential energy is often said to be part of the ball's energy (e.g. in quantum theory).
 
GRDixon said:
mc<sup>2</sup> is descriptive of the isolated ball. mgh is an energy of the ball/earth system. Unfortunately, this potential energy is often said to be part of the ball's energy (e.g. in quantum theory).

what is the "descriptive of the isolated ball"?? then does the total energy of the ball contain both quantities i.e (T.E = mc2 + mgh)??
but in this case the quantitative value of mgh is very much higher than the mc2 in terms of Joule.!
wat is confusion!
 

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