Relativistic Kinetic or Classical for Velocity Selector Design?

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The discussion centers on designing a velocity selector for electrons with a kinetic energy of 5x104 eV using an electric field of 2x105 V/m. Participants debated whether to use classical or relativistic equations to calculate the necessary magnetic field. The classical kinetic energy formula yielded a velocity of approximately 0.44c, while the relativistic approach produced a significantly lower velocity of about 0.01c. Ultimately, the consensus is that while the classical formula provides a close approximation, the relativistic formula is more accurate and universally applicable.

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Homework Statement


Suppose you want to make a velocity selector that allows undeflected passage for electrons whose kinetic energy is ##5x10^4eV##. The electric field available to you ##2x10^5V/m##. What magnetic field will be needed?

Homework Equations


##u=\frac{E}{B}##
u is velocity, E is the electric field, B is the magnetic field.

The Attempt at a Solution


So I'm trying to using the Kinetic Energy to solve for u, and then solve for B.

At first I tried using the classical equation for kinetic energy, which gave me ~.44c. But this value for u, would make the Classical formula not very accurate.

So I tried the relativist formula: ##E_{kin}=mc^2(\gamma-1)## and worked my way down to ##u = c\sqrt{1-\frac{1}{\frac{E^2}{(mc^2)^2)}+1}}##

In this case, I end up with ~.01c which is not a relativistic speed. So my question is, which should I use? And obviously I'm doing something wrong, any obvious mistakes with that last equation? Is there an easier way to deduce the magnetic field given the kinetic energy and electric field?
 
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MostlyHarmless said:
and worked my way down to ##u = c\sqrt{1-\frac{1}{\frac{E^2}{(mc^2)^2)}+1}}##

I think it's just an algebra error. I got a very slightly different formula at the end :smile:
 
First, I had to understand what a velocity selector is.
Here is a clear picture from Wikipedia:

300px-Velocity_selector.svg.png


Indeed, the solution boils down to calculating the velocity of a beam of electron at the energy of 5.104eV.
The energy is related to the speed by this formula:

5cbcf34148e7892f9170501e071cbcfc.png


Solving, you should find v/c = 0.412687

v²/c² = (1 - 1 / (Ek/mc² + 1)²)

The classical formula is not so far from the relativistic result.
Anyway, the relativistic formula is more general and is always applicable.
The classical formula is an approximation.
 
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I think in the frustration I broke an algebra rule, and did: ((E/mc^2)+1)=(E/mc2)^2+1^2

>.<
 

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