Relativistic Lagrangian of a particle in EM field

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The discussion revolves around the derivation of the relativistic Lagrangian for a particle in an electromagnetic (EM) field, as presented in the text by Lancaster and Blundell. Participants explore the formulation of the Lagrangian, the addition of EM potential energy, and the implications of gauge invariance in the context of relativistic dynamics.

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  • One participant questions why the EM potential energy is added rather than subtracted in the action, suggesting a potential misstep in the derivation.
  • Another participant clarifies that the potential energy can be expressed as ##qV - q\vec A \cdot \vec v = qA_{\mu}dx^{\mu}##, indicating that the negative sign may have been introduced prematurely.
  • Several participants emphasize the importance of gauge invariance over the distinction between relativistic and non-relativistic dynamics, arguing that electromagnetism is inherently a relativistic theory.
  • There is a detailed exploration of the requirements for writing covariant equations of motion, including the necessity for the Lagrangian to be a first-order homogeneous function in the velocity terms, ##\dot{x}^{\mu}##.
  • Participants discuss the derivation of the interaction Lagrangian with the four-vector field and the conditions under which it leads to the correct relativistic version of the Lorentz force.
  • There is mention of the need for the action to remain gauge invariant, with a focus on how gauge transformations affect the interaction Lagrangian.

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Participants express differing views on the treatment of the EM potential energy in the action, with some suggesting a misinterpretation while others provide clarifications. The discussion on gauge invariance and the formulation of the Lagrangian appears to be more cohesive, although no consensus is reached regarding the initial question about the sign of the potential energy.

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Participants note that the derivation relies on specific assumptions about the parametrization of the worldline and the nature of the four-potential, which may not be universally applicable without further clarification.

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Why is the potential energy of EM field added to the Lagrangian?
I'm following the derivation in Lancaster and Blundell. First, the Lagrangian for the free particle is ##L=-\frac {mc^2} {\gamma}## and the action ##S=\int -\frac {mc^2} {\gamma} \, dt##. Then, EM is "turned on" with the potential energy ##-qA_{\mu}dx^{\mu}##. Then, they say, the action becomes $$S=\int \, -\frac {mc^2} {\gamma} \, dt \, -qA_{\mu}dx^{\mu}$$.
My question is, why the EM potential energy has been added rather than subtracted?
 
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The potential energy is ##qV - q\vec A \cdot \vec v = qA_{\mu}dx^{\mu}##. The negative sign crept in a step too early by the looks of things.
 
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The point is not so much relativistic vs. non-relativistic dynamics but gauge invariance, but it's of course most elegant to argue for the Lagrangian using relativistic arguments, because electromagnetism is a relativistic theory since Maxwell discovered it although it took about 40 years to fully understand this in Einstein's famous paper of 1905.

The first observation is that to write down manifestly covariant consistent equations of motion for a point particle in relstivistic physics it's most easy to parametrize the worldline of the particle in Minkowski space and then deriving these equations of motion from the Hamilton variational principle. The most simple argument is to aim for an action which is (a) Poincare invariant and (b) invariant under reparametrizations of the worldline.

For the latter demand it's obviously sufficient to make the Lagrangian a first-order homegeneous function in the ##\dot{x}^{\mu}##, where the dot refers to the derivative with respect to the arbitrary world-line parameter, ##\lambda##, i.e., we demand that
$$L(x,\alpha \dot{x})=\alpha L(x,\dot{x}),$$
because then the action
$$S[x]=\int_{\lambda_1}^{\lambda_2} \mathrm{d} \lambda L(x,\dot{x})$$
is invariant under arbitrary reparametrizations ##\lambda \rightarrow \lambda'## since we have
$$\mathrm{d}_{\lambda} x^{\mu} = \frac{\mathrm{d} \lambda'}{\mathrm{d} \lambda} \mathrm{d}_{\lambda'} x=\alpha \mathrm{d}_{\lambda'} x$$
On the other hand
$$\mathrm{d} \lambda = \mathrm{d} \lambda' \frac{\mathrm{d} \lambda}{\mathrm{d} \lambda'}=\mathrm{d} \lambda'/\alpha.$$
So you get
$$A[x]=\int_{\lambda_1'}^{\lambda_2'} \mathrm{d} \lambda' \frac{1}{\alpha} L[x(\lambda'), \alpha \mathrm{d}_{\lambda' x}(\lambda)] = \int_{\lambda_1'}^{\lambda_2'} \mathrm{d} \lambda' L[x(\lambda'),\mathrm{d}_{\lambda'} x(\lambda')].$$
For the free particle from translation invariance in time and space you get
$$L_0=L_0(\dot{x}).$$
Then the only Lorentz invariant quantity homogeneous in first order in ##\dot{x}## is ##\sqrt{\dot{x} \cdot \dot{x}}##, i.e.,
$$L_0=C \sqrt{\dot{x} \cdot \dot{x}}.$$
Choosing the coordinate time as parameter, as is usual in Newtonian physics, you get
$$L_0=C \sqrt{c^2-\mathrm{d}_t \vec{x}^2}=C c \sqrt{1-\beta^2}.$$
The non-relativistic limit follows for ##\beta \rightarrow 0##,
$$L_0=C c (1-\beta^2/2)=C c[1-v^2/(2c^2)].$$
In order to get the right free-particle Newtonian limit, ##L_0=m v^2/2 + \text{const}## you must choose ##C=-mc##, i.e.,
$$L_0=-m c^2 \sqrt{1-\beta^2} = - m c \sqrt{c^2-v^2} = -m c \sqrt{(\mathrm{d}_t x) \cdot \mathrm{d}_t x)}.$$
Since now the action is parametrization invariant by construction, this holds for any parametrization of the world line, i.e.,
$$L_0=-m c \sqrt{\dot{x} \cdot \dot{x}}.$$
Further we know that the electromagnetic field can be derived from a four-potential,
$$F_{\mu \nu}=\partial_{\mu} A_{\nu}-\partial_{\nu} A_{\mu}.$$
The most simple interaction Lagrangian with a four-vector field and homogeneous in first order in ##\dot{x}## obviously is
$$L_{\text{int}}=C \dot{x} \cdot A.$$
It turns out that you get the correct relativistic version of the Lorentz force by choosing ##C=-q/c## (in Heaviside-Lorentz units), i.e.,
$$L_{\text{int}}=-\frac{q}{c} \dot{x} \cdot A.$$
Now it is also important to note that we must get a gauge invariant action since the physics is not described by the four-potential, ##A## but by the four-potential modulo an arbitrary four-gradient, i.e.,
$$A_{\mu}'=A_{\mu} +\partial_{\mu} \chi$$
must give the same equations of motion as ##A##, and this is the case for our "minimal ansatz" too, because under this "gauge transformation" the interaction Lagrangian changes to
$$L_{\text{int}}'=-\frac{q}{c} \dot{x}^{\mu} (A_{\mu} + \partial_{\mu} \chi) = -\frac{q}{c} \dot{x} \cdot A - \frac{q}{c} \mathrm{d}_\lambda \chi,$$
i.e., ##L'## differs from ##L## only by an additive total ##\lambda## deriviative which doesn't change the equations of motion. So the gauge transformation leads to an equivalent Lagrangian and thus the equation of states are gauge invariant as it must be.
 
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vanhees71 said:
The point is not so much relativistic vs. non-relativistic dynamics but gauge invariance, but it's of course most elegant to argue for the Lagrangian using relativistic arguments, because electromagnetism is a relativistic theory since Maxwell discovered it although it took about 40 years to fully understand this in Einstein's famous paper of 1905.

The first observation is that to write down manifestly covariant consistent equations of motion for a point particle in relstivistic physics it's most easy to parametrize the worldline of the particle in Minkowski space and then deriving these equations of motion from the Hamilton variational principle. The most simple argument is to aim for an action which is (a) Poincare invariant and (b) invariant under reparametrizations of the worldline.

For the latter demand it's obviously sufficient to make the Lagrangian a first-order homegeneous function in the ##\dot{x}^{\mu}##, where the dot refers to the derivative with respect to the arbitrary world-line parameter, ##\lambda##, i.e., we demand that
$$L(x,\alpha \dot{x})=\alpha L(x,\dot{x}),$$
because then the action
$$S[x]=\int_{\lambda_1}^{\lambda_2} \mathrm{d} \lambda L(x,\dot{x})$$
is invariant under arbitrary reparametrizations ##\lambda \rightarrow \lambda'## since we have
$$\mathrm{d}_{\lambda} x^{\mu} = \frac{\mathrm{d} \lambda'}{\mathrm{d} \lambda} \mathrm{d}_{\lambda'} x=\alpha \mathrm{d}_{\lambda'} x$$
On the other hand
$$\mathrm{d} \lambda = \mathrm{d} \lambda' \frac{\mathrm{d} \lambda}{\mathrm{d} \lambda'}=\mathrm{d} \lambda'/\alpha.$$
So you get
$$A[x]=\int_{\lambda_1'}^{\lambda_2'} \mathrm{d} \lambda' \frac{1}{\alpha} L[x(\lambda'), \alpha \mathrm{d}_{\lambda' x}(\lambda)] = \int_{\lambda_1'}^{\lambda_2'} \mathrm{d} \lambda' L[x(\lambda'),\mathrm{d}_{\lambda'} x(\lambda')].$$
For the free particle from translation invariance in time and space you get
$$L_0=L_0(\dot{x}).$$
Then the only Lorentz invariant quantity homogeneous in first order in ##\dot{x}## is ##\sqrt{\dot{x} \cdot \dot{x}}##, i.e.,
$$L_0=C \sqrt{\dot{x} \cdot \dot{x}}.$$
Choosing the coordinate time as parameter, as is usual in Newtonian physics, you get
$$L_0=C \sqrt{c^2-\mathrm{d}_t \vec{x}^2}=C c \sqrt{1-\beta^2}.$$
The non-relativistic limit follows for ##\beta \rightarrow 0##,
$$L_0=C c (1-\beta^2/2)=C c[1-v^2/(2c^2)].$$
In order to get the right free-particle Newtonian limit, ##L_0=m v^2/2 + \text{const}## you must choose ##C=-mc##, i.e.,
$$L_0=-m c^2 \sqrt{1-\beta^2} = - m c \sqrt{c^2-v^2} = -m c \sqrt{(\mathrm{d}_t x) \cdot \mathrm{d}_t x)}.$$
Since now the action is parametrization invariant by construction, this holds for any parametrization of the world line, i.e.,
$$L_0=-m c \sqrt{\dot{x} \cdot \dot{x}}.$$
Further we know that the electromagnetic field can be derived from a four-potential,
$$F_{\mu \nu}=\partial_{\mu} A_{\nu}-\partial_{\nu} A_{\mu}.$$
The most simple interaction Lagrangian with a four-vector field and homogeneous in first order in ##\dot{x}## obviously is
$$L_{\text{int}}=C \dot{x} \cdot A.$$
It turns out that you get the correct relativistic version of the Lorentz force by choosing ##C=-q/c## (in Heaviside-Lorentz units), i.e.,
$$L_{\text{int}}=-\frac{q}{c} \dot{x} \cdot A.$$
Now it is also important to note that we must get a gauge invariant action since the physics is not described by the four-potential, ##A## but by the four-potential modulo an arbitrary four-gradient, i.e.,
$$A_{\mu}'=A_{\mu} +\partial_{\mu} \chi$$
must give the same equations of motion as ##A##, and this is the case for our "minimal ansatz" too, because under this "gauge transformation" the interaction Lagrangian changes to
$$L_{\text{int}}'=-\frac{q}{c} \dot{x}^{\mu} (A_{\mu} + \partial_{\mu} \chi) = -\frac{q}{c} \dot{x} \cdot A - \frac{q}{c} \mathrm{d}_\lambda \chi,$$
i.e., ##L'## differs from ##L## only by an additive total ##\lambda## deriviative which doesn't change the equations of motion. So the gauge transformation leads to an equivalent Lagrangian and thus the equation of states are gauge invariant as it must be.
Thanks a lot. As a summary, to write down the Lagrangian we've involved the Poincare invariance, the reparameterization invariance, the Newtonian limit, and the Lorentz force law. Then, we've checked that this Lagrangian obeys gauge invariance.
 
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