Relativity with energy and momentum question

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The discussion revolves around a problem in relativistic physics concerning the decay of a pi meson into two photons. The original poster has successfully completed parts of the problem but is struggling with the final part, which involves determining the maximum and minimum energies of the resulting photons in a specific reference frame.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the implications of the decay being symmetric in the rest frame of the pion versus asymmetric in the lab frame. There are questions about how the angles of the emitted photons affect their energies and whether the Doppler effect plays a role in this scenario.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem. Some have suggested that the decay could lead to different energies for the photons due to their motion relative to the pion, while others are questioning the conservation of momentum in this context. No consensus has been reached yet.

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There is a mention of the need to consider the reference frame of the observer measuring the total energy, which may introduce complexities in the energy distribution between the photons. The original poster expresses uncertainty about the assumptions regarding energy and momentum distribution in the decay process.

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Here is the question, I was able to complete part a and b but c has beaten me!

A pi meson has rest mass 131 MeVc-2 and total energy 1.000 GeV

a) What is its momentum, expressed in MeVc-1
For this I obtained 991 MeVc-1 using the equation E2=c2p2+M2c4

b) By how much is its speed less than c?
Using γ=E/mc2 i got a value of γ = 7.63 so therefore this system is highly relativistic then subbed this into γ=1/√(1-v2/c2) to get an answer of 2.57x106 ms-1 less than c.

c) This is the one i am stuck on: The pi meson decays in flight into two photons. Find the maximum and minimum energies (in MeV) possible for the photons in the coordinate system (or reference frame) of the observer who measures this total energy, and the minimum and maximum wavelengths corresponding to these energies.

I do not quite understand what it means by or how to get the maximum and minimum energies. I would of assumed both photons get half the total energy and half the total momentum each.


 
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In the rest frame of the pion, the decay is symmetric, but in the lab frame (where the pion is moving) it can be asymmetric. The two photons can have different angles relative to the pion flight direction.
 
mfb said:
In the rest frame of the pion, the decay is symmetric, but in the lab frame (where the pion is moving) it can be asymmetric. The two photons can have different angles relative to the pion flight direction.

I don't see how this will give them different energies though?
 
could it be a doppler effect?
 
StonedPhysicist said:
I don't see how this will give them different energies though?
Imagine one flying in the pion flight direction and one backwards. If they would have the same energy and momentum, total momentum would be zero after the decay but non-zero before. A violation of momentum conservation.

It is related to the Doppler effect, but formulas for that are impractical here.
 

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