Reluctance in a cast steel ring

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The problem involves calculating the reluctance of a cast steel ring with a coil wound around it, given specific parameters such as the number of turns, cross-sectional area, mean circumference, and magnetic flux. The subject area pertains to magnetism and magnetic circuits.

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  • Participants explore the relationship between reluctance and resistance, drawing analogies to Ohm's law. There are attempts to calculate reluctance and current based on provided formulas and parameters.

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Some participants express confusion regarding their calculations and seek clarification on specific values. There is an ongoing dialogue about significant figures and the accuracy of results, with some guidance provided on how to approach the calculations.

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Participants are discussing the implications of significant figures in their answers, and there is mention of potential calculator errors affecting results. The original poster's calculations are questioned, and there is a focus on understanding the definitions of micro and mega in the context of their results.

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Homework Statement


A coil of 450 turns is wound uniformly round a cast steel ring. The ring has a crosssectional area of 750mm2 and a mean circumference of 600mm. A flux of 0.825mWb is produced in the ring. (Given that H = 800At/m at that flux).
a.
Calculate the reluctance of the ring
b.
Calculate the current required to produce the given flux.

Homework Equations


Φ=BA
μ=B/H
S=l/μoμrA
Φ=F/S

The Attempt at a Solution


a.
Φ=BA
B=Φ/A
Flux density in ring: 0.825x10-3/750x10-6
= 1.1T

μ=B/H
=1.1/800
=1.375x10-3

S=l/μoμrA
=600x10-3/1.375x10-3x4πx10-7x750x10-6
=4.63x1011A/Wb

b. Φ=F/S
=0.825x10-3=mmf/4.63x1011
mmf=0.825x10-3x4.63x1011
=381975000A

These answers look very wrong to me but I am unsure where I have gone wrong?
 
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If you are familiar with Ohm's law, then reluctance is analogous to resistance in a circuit, with electro-motive force (voltage) being analogous to magneto-motive force (ampere-turns) and resulting current flow (amperes) being analogous to magnetic flux (webers). The B-field that you may be more familiar with is flux density (webers/square meter), and the H-field (ampere-turns/meter) is analogous to the electric field (volts/metre).

a) So from ohms law R=V/I which for a magnetic loop becomes Reluctance = [Ampere.turns/meter * meters] / [resultant flux].

In your case this comes to (800At/m * 600mm / 0.825mWb) => 776*103 At/Wb (allowing for the millimeters and milliwebers).

b) You have been given the magnetising field intensity (800 ampere-turns/meter) required to produce the flux and you know the mean circumference of the core (600mm) so that multiplying these together gives the ampere-turns (as we already did in (a)). Dividing by the turns then gives you the amperes:

In your case this comes to (800At/m * 600mm / 450t) => 1.07 Amps

Rather easy when you understand the quantities that you are dealing with.
 
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Thank you jwinter.
There are so many different quantities that it becomes confusing, thank you for your thorough explanation.

I am not getting to the same answer as you have provided in a).
S=800x600x10^-3/0.825x10^-3
=581818.1818

What am I doing wrong?
 
DevonZA said:
What am I doing wrong?
Nothing - my calculator must have made a mistake :smile:
 
jwinter said:
Nothing - my calculator must have made a mistake :smile:
:nb)
My answer of 581818.18A/Wb is correct?
 
Yes it is correct. But don't keep so many significant figures - it looks stupid. You were given at most a 3 significant figure input so only 3 significant figures are useful in the output.
 
jwinter said:
Yes it is correct. But don't keep so many significant figures - it looks stupid. You were given at most a 3 significant figure input so only 3 significant figures are useful in the output.
I.E 0.582μA/Wb?
 
Gosh you need to think for yourself at least a tiny bit if you are ever going to pass an exam and actually become useful in a subject! If you are not then why bother studying at all?

Do you know the difference between micro (μ) and mega?
 
jwinter said:
Gosh you need to think for yourself at least a tiny bit if you are ever going to pass an exam and actually become useful in a subject! If you are not then why bother studying at all?

Do you know the difference between micro (μ) and mega?
micro = 10^-6
mega=10^6
 
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So you noticed that you got it wrong?
 
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Yeah I went the wrong way my bad 0.582MA/Wb
 

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