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The discussion centers on understanding how the Density Theorem 2.4.8 from "Introduction to Real Analysis" implies that every number in the interval [0, 1] is a subsequential limit of the sequence (r_n). The process involves constructing a sequence of rational numbers (s_n) that converge to any number x in [0, 1] by ensuring that each term is within a decreasing distance from x. The inductive construction addresses potential issues, such as intervals extending beyond [0, 1] or overlapping with previously chosen terms, by adjusting the intervals accordingly. This method demonstrates that rational numbers can be selected to meet the criteria laid out by the theorem. The explanation effectively clarifies the connection between the Density Theorem and subsequential limits.
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I am reading "Introduction to Real Analysis" (Fourth Edition) b Robert G Bartle and Donald R Sherbert ...

I am focused on Chapter 3: Sequences and Series ...

I need help in fully understanding an example given by B&S in some introductory remarks on Limit Superior and Limit Inferior ...The first part of the introductory remarks read as follows:View attachment 7315

In the third paragraph of the above text, starting: "An extreme example ... ... " we read the following:

" ... ... Then it follows from the Density Theorem 2.4.8 that every number in $$[0, 1]$$ is a subsequential limit of $$( r_n )$$. ... ... "Can someone please explain exactly how it follows from the Density Theorem 2.4.8 that every number in $$[0, 1]$$ is a subsequential limit of $$( r_n )$$?

Peter==================================================================================The above post refers to B&S's Density Theorem so I am proving the text of the teorem and its corollary ... as follows ... ...View attachment 7316
 
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Peter said:
Can someone please explain exactly how it follows from the Density Theorem 2.4.8 that every number in $$[0, 1]$$ is a subsequential limit of $$( r_n )$$?
Let $x$ be a number in $[0,1]$. One idea would be to use induction to construct a sequence $(s_n)$ of rational numbers such that $|x-s_n| <1/n$. Such a sequence certainly converges to $x$.

The induction starts by taking $s_1$ to be any rational number in the unit interval $[0,1]$, say $s_1 = 1/2$.

For the inductive step, suppose that $s_1,s_2,\ldots,s_n$ have already been chosen. By the Density Theorem, there exists a rational number in the interval $ I_{n+1} = (x - \frac1{n+1},x + \frac1{n+1})$. We want to choose $s_{n+1}$ to be such a number. But there are two possible snags to doing this.

First, the interval $ I_{n+1}$ may extend beyond the unit interval. We can get around that by shortening $ I_{n+1}$, replacing its lower limit by $0$ or its upper limit by $1$, as necessary.

Second, and more seriously, $ I_{n+1}$ may contain one or more of the numbers $s_1,s_2,\ldots,s_n$ that have already been chosen. But there are only finitely many of those numbers, so again we can can shorten $ I_{n+1}$ to exclude them all. The shortened version of $ I_{n+1}$ will still, by the Density Theorem, contain a rational number, which we can choose as $s_{n+1}$.
 
Opalg said:
Let $x$ be a number in $[0,1]$. One idea would be to use induction to construct a sequence $(s_n)$ of rational numbers such that $|x-s_n| <1/n$. Such a sequence certainly converges to $x$.

The induction starts by taking $s_1$ to be any rational number in the unit interval $[0,1]$, say $s_1 = 1/2$.

For the inductive step, suppose that $s_1,s_2,\ldots,s_n$ have already been chosen. By the Density Theorem, there exists a rational number in the interval $ I_{n+1} = (x - \frac1{n+1},x + \frac1{n+1})$. We want to choose $s_{n+1}$ to be such a number. But there are two possible snags to doing this.

First, the interval $ I_{n+1}$ may extend beyond the unit interval. We can get around that by shortening $ I_{n+1}$, replacing its lower limit by $0$ or its upper limit by $1$, as necessary.

Second, and more seriously, $ I_{n+1}$ may contain one or more of the numbers $s_1,s_2,\ldots,s_n$ that have already been chosen. But there are only finitely many of those numbers, so again we can can shorten $ I_{n+1}$ to exclude them all. The shortened version of $ I_{n+1}$ will still, by the Density Theorem, contain a rational number, which we can choose as $s_{n+1}$.

Thanks Opalg ...

Still reflecting on what you have written ...

Peter
 
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