Replacing Aluminium windings for Motors with copper wires

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the replacement of aluminum windings in motors with copper wire. Participants explore the implications of using copper, including wire sizing, number of turns, and potential effects on motor performance and safety. The scope includes technical considerations related to motor design and material properties.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks advice on re-winding a defective aluminum motor with copper wire, asking about appropriate wire size and number of turns.
  • Another participant references a table suggesting that the aluminum to copper cross-sectional area ratio should be 1.6:1, implying a diameter ratio of about 1.265:1.
  • A participant expresses confidence in using the table without changing the number of turns, indicating satisfaction with current performance.
  • Another participant suggests that using a slightly larger diameter copper wire could improve motor characteristics but warns that changing the number of turns could affect coil inductance and resistance, which are critical for motor design.
  • One participant raises concerns about the different coefficients of expansion and heat conductivity between copper and aluminum, noting potential safety issues related to electrical connections over time.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying opinions on the implications of using copper wire, particularly regarding wire size and the number of turns. There is no consensus on the best approach, and concerns about safety and performance remain contested.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention specific ratios and tables for wire sizing but do not clarify the assumptions behind these recommendations. The discussion includes unresolved considerations regarding the impact of changing wire sizes and turns on motor performance and safety.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in motor rewinding, electrical engineering, and material properties in motor design may find this discussion relevant.

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Good Day,

I have defective Aluminium windings motor.

As you know Aluminium is very difficult to winding.

So, I want to use Copper wire to re-winding the motor.

How can I do that?

What size should I use and what will be the number of turns?

Someone told me that you can use Copper by reducing 15% from the sectional area of Aluminium wire.

Another one gave me this table:

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Copper Diamet mm Aluminium Diameter mm
0.3 0.3795
0.35 0.44275
0.4 0.506
0.45 0.56925
0.5 0.6325
0.55 0.69575
0.6 0.759
0.65 0.82225
0.7 0.8855
0.75 0.94875
0.8 1.012
0.85 1.07525
0.9 1.1385
0.95 1.20175
1 1.265
1.05 1.32825
1.1 1.3915
1.15 1.45475
1.2 1.518
1.25 1.58125
1.3 1.6445


I need your advice, please.
 
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This table shows that the aluminum to copper cross section area ratio should be 1.6:1

http://www.tpub.com/neets/book4/11e.htm

so the diameter ratio should be about 1.265:1, as per your table.

Bob S
 
Thank you

So, I can use that table without changing the number of turns.


Regards
 
Currently, I am using that table, and it is very good , no excessive heat.
 
You could probably improve the motor characteristics slightly by going to a slightly larger diameter copper wire, but if you change the number of turns, you will change both the coil inductance (important in ac motors) and the Tesla per amp. Also, in some ac induction motors (split phase), wire resistance is an important part of the design. Also, in some dc brush motors (shunt wound), wire resistance is important.

Bob S
 
Though I doubt it's relevant to this apparently one time fix:

Copper and aluminum have different coefficients of expansion and heat conductivity. Aluminum wiring when attached to electrical terminations not designed to accommodate the difference has been shown to cause electrical fires through on/off power cycling, causing the connection to loosen over time thus increasing resistance which accelerates the mechanical issue to the point of connection failure.
 

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