Required conditions for vertical circular motion to occur?

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The discussion centers on the conditions necessary for a particle attached to an inextensible string to achieve complete vertical circular motion after receiving a horizontal impulse. It is established that the tension (T) at the apex of the motion must satisfy the condition T ≥ 0, allowing for the possibility of T being zero at that point. However, the consensus leans towards T > 0 being necessary to maintain a taut string throughout the motion. The participants explore the implications of these conditions and the reasoning behind them.

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For the case of a particle attached to an inextensible string which is hanging at rest and then provided an impulse horizontally, what conditions must the system meet in order to allow for COMPLETE circular motion. I am well aware the tension at the apex of the motion must be satisfy one of the following:
  • T>0
  • T≥0
So which one is it?
 
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whit3r0se- said:
For the case of a particle attached to an inextensible string which is hanging at rest and then provided an impulse horizontally, what conditions must the system meet in order to allow for COMPLETE circular motion. I am well aware the tension at the apex of the motion must be satisfy one of the following:
  • T>0
  • T≥0
So which one is it?
Welcome to the PF. :smile:

Which do you think is correct, and why? Is this for schoolwork?
 
Well if I'm to follow the general principle that the string must be taut at all times, it seems logical that it must be T>0. However i still think it possible for the tension to be 0 at the apex and for it to still continue perform vertical circles by gaining enough velocity to become immediately taught after it has turned an angle of ∂θ from the vertical.
This isn't for school work, I'm just curious.
 
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First, the word you are intending to use is "taut", not "taught" (unless you intend to teach the string something :smile:)

Personally, I think your analysis is correct, but it would not astonish me to find that we are both wrong for some reason.
 
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Is T>0, a more generalised assumption?
 
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whit3r0se- said:
Is T>0, a more generalised assumption?
No, it's either right or overkill. If T>=0 is sufficient there is no need to say that T>0 is required because that would imply that T=0 is insufficient.
 
How can we prove this?
 

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