Resistor is a current limiting element.?

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The discussion revolves around the role of resistors in electrical circuits, specifically whether resistors act as current limiting elements and the implications of this on charge conservation and circuit behavior. Participants explore concepts related to Ohm's law, Kirchhoff's laws, and practical applications of resistors in various circuit configurations.

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  • Some participants assert that current remains constant throughout a series circuit, maintaining that charge conservation is upheld, with 3mA flowing through each resistor.
  • Others question the idea of resistors as current limiting elements, suggesting that the overall resistance of the circuit determines the current flow rather than individual resistors reducing current values.
  • A participant mentions that the behavior of current in a circuit is established after the system has settled, indicating that initial conditions may differ from steady-state behavior.
  • One participant emphasizes that resistors limit current rather than drop it, providing examples of how different resistances affect current flow in a circuit.
  • There are references to Kirchhoff's current law, with some participants discussing its implications for current flow at nodes in a circuit.
  • Another participant introduces the idea that the role of resistance may change depending on the type of power source used, suggesting a different perspective on resistors in circuits.

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Participants express differing views on whether resistors limit current or simply drop voltage. There is no consensus on the interpretation of resistors' roles in circuits, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these roles on charge conservation and circuit behavior.

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Participants reference various circuit configurations and theoretical principles, but there are limitations in the assumptions made about steady-state conditions and the behavior of components during transient states.

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In a simple circuit having battery (6v) connected to two resistors (1K each) in series, 3mA would flow through the entire circuit.

1) If resistor is a current limiting element, current following the first resistor should reduce its value (from 3mA to some other) before entering the another resistor right??

2) If current reduces, then conservation of charges is violated right?

3) As per ohm's law, V=IR. In the above circuit, voltage gets dropped (3V)across the first resistor. Ohm's law implies voltage varies linearly with current if resistance is constant. So this would mean drop in voltage across resistor should limit currewnt from 3mA to some other value right?

if resistor is not a current limiter, then how does a resistor in screwdriver tester limits huge current to flow through our body?

Thanks in advance
 
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Hi harsha2591! http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/5725/red5e5etimes5e5e45e5e25.gif

Current does not diminish as it progresses through a circuit, it is the same at every point. Charge is conserved! 3mA through each resistor, and 3v across each.
 
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harsha2591 said:
In a simple circuit having battery (6v) connected to two resistors (1K each) in series, 3mA would flow through the entire circuit.

Yes, correct

1) If resistor is a current limiting element, current following the first resistor should reduce its value (from 3mA to some other) before entering the another resistor right??

Thanks in advance

No, the overall resistance of the circuit ( that is the load across the battery/other PSU) sets the amount of current flowing in the circuit

in your above circuit say there was just one 1k Ohm resistor then the current flowing in the circuit would be 6mA. You double the resistance and you will halve the current flowing. It doesn't matter if those two 1k resistors are separate ones or just a single 2 k resistor the current flowing in the circuit will be 3mA

You mite have 10 resistors of different values in a circuit some in series some in parallel, you need to work out or measure the total value of resistance to find out what the current flowing will be

Dave
 
harsha2591 said:
if resistor is not a current limiter, then how does a resistor in screwdriver tester limits huge current to flow through our body?

Thanks in advance

What you need to remember is that the situation as described in the above (and other circuit problems) is what happens after the system has settled down. On a long wire, some charge may, indeed, flow through the nearer components before the voltage pulse (at switch on) arrives at a further component and before it 'can know about' that distant resistor. But all this is not relevant to basic circuit theory, which starts to kick in within a few nanoseconds of switch on, by which time, all the components are interacting with each other and all the 'rules' start to apply, such as sharing of the Volts along a series chain.

It's not like cars on a motorway, where a hold up, 20 miles away is reducing the flow of traffic there but not having any effect on the ones which are just joining it. Although, even in this case, the motorway would eventually jam up totally, given enough time, and the total number that could get onto the start section would be limited by the rate that they could exit at the other end.
 
Resisters are current limiting things, not current dropping things.
You connect 2K to 6V. The current is limited at 3mA. If you now hook 6K to 6V, current is further limited at 1mA. Thats it.
If there were no resistance, <a direct short between battery terminals> then huge currents will flow (theoritically infinite), i.e. the current has no limit. But in practice, even if you short out the terminals, the resistance in the battery (internal resistance) and the shorting wire will limit the current within few Amperes.
 
Kirchoffs current law.

Current entering a node equals current leaving a node.

Current leaving the source EQUALS current going back to the source.
 
But that doesn't tell you what currents may be flowing in parts of the circuit in between. It's a simplification which works. Think of the current in a parallel resonant circuit, compared with the current into and out of the generator that's connected.
 
sophiecentaur said:
But that doesn't tell you what currents may be flowing in parts of the circuit in between. It's a simplification which works. Think of the current in a parallel resonant circuit, compared with the current into and out of the generator that's connected.

Ok...well, once the circuit reaches steady state, the capacitor and inductor oscillate between each other (the source sees and open circuit at the L and C) and all the current from the source goes thru the resistor and all the current returns to the source. Simplified...indeed.
 
It depends on how you energize your system. If you use a current source, resistance might be called "voltage drop incrementing" element.
 
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psparky said:
Kirchoffs current law.

Current entering a node equals current leaving a node.

Current leaving the source EQUALS current going back to the source.

All that K1 really says is that the sum of the current at a node is Zero. It doesn't, except by implication, say what you are saying - only if you can identify just two nodes, one each end of the power source.
 
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sophiecentaur said:
All that K1 really says is that the sum of the current at a node is Zero. It doesn't, except by implication, say what you are saying - only if you can identify just two nodes, one each end of the power source.

Great. We are in total agreement!
 
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This is bad. We'll have to find something to argue over soon!
 

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