Resultant Force and Direction Calculation

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The discussion revolves around calculating the resultant force and its direction based on given forces and their components in a two-dimensional coordinate system. Participants are examining the x and y components of multiple forces and exploring how to derive the resultant from these components.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants are discussing the calculation of x and y components for various forces and questioning the correctness of their values. There are attempts to sum the components and calculate the resultant force using trigonometric relationships. Some participants are also considering the implications of negative components and angles.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing guidance on sketching the problem and clarifying the quadrant in which the resultant lies. There is an ongoing exploration of how to correctly interpret angles and components, but no consensus has been reached on the final calculations.

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Participants mention confusion stemming from previous instruction and the need to clarify assumptions about angles and component signs. There is also a reference to significant figures in the context of the final angle calculation.

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Force(N) Direction (deg) x Component y Component

F3 110 30 95.3 55

F4 100 125 122.6 81.9

F5 85 200 100.1 150.9

Resultant ? ? ? ?


Can somebody help me check on my data because I think I did the whole thing wrong and also when I got the resultant of x component it was 318 and 287.8

then I calculated the force which was like 428.

When I was solving for x component and y for F3 i got a few negatives and somewhere in the book said i had to add 180 degrees.
I am kind of confused had a bad prof for lab.
 
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You should draw a rough sketch first on a typical x-y 4 quadrant graph. . For the F3 force of 110 N, your components are correct . For the F4 force of 100 N at 125 degrees ccw from positive x axis, your sketch should show for example that the x component of that force is -100cos55. (it lies in the 2nd quadrant, and points up and to the left..it's x componnet is the magnitude of the x leg of the right triangle formed using F4 as the hypotenuse...and the x component points left, so throw a negative sign on it. Continue..
 
Oh so when i add up all the x components it would be 95.3 + (-) 57.4 + (-) 79.87 = -42.27?

and how about calculating the resultant for force and direction you use pythagoream therom and the tan-1(opp/adj)?
 
godkills said:
Oh so when i add up all the x components it would be 95.3 + (-) 57.4 + (-) 79.87 = -42.27?
yes, good.
and how about calculating the resultant for force and direction you use pythagoream therom and the tan-1(opp/adj)?
Yes, first find the sum of the y components, add 'em up, and then calculate the resultant force and direction. Be sure to draw a sketch that will help deternine what is opposite, what is adjacent, and what the angle is.
 
It would seem weird to have a negative angle wouldn't it?

final components -42.27 and 107.8
 
What angle are you getting for a result? Are you drawing a sketch of the x (pointing left) and and y (pointing up) components of the resultant? In what quadrant does the resultant lie?
 
Well the triangle would like on quadrant 2 where x is negative and y is positive.
 
godkills said:
Well the triangle would like on quadrant 2 where x is negative and y is positive.
Yes, and what is the angle measured ccw from the positive x axis?
 
tan-1(-42.27/107.8) = -21.4
 
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Calculators don't know too much about quadrants :wink: . That's why it is important to draw a sketch. Using tan theta = opp/adj, that value of 21.4 degrees is measured in which direction from which axis?
 
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from top to bottom
 
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godkills said:
from top to bottom
I am unsure what you mean by 'from top to bottom'.
 
  • #13
from the y-axis to the x-axis the angle above the x axis
 
  • #14
If the x comp is -42 and the y comp is + 108, and you are using tan theta = x/y, then then it's 21.2 degrees ccw from the pos y axis, right?
 
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yeah that's what i was trying to say
 
  • #16
OK, that's correct. Which is how many degrees counterclockwise from the positive x-axis (conventionally, the way angles are measured).?
 
  • #17
90+21.2 = 111.2
 
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Yes, correct...actually I miscopied the angle , it should be 111.4 N, but considering significant figures and such, 111 degrees ccw from pos x-axis is OK. It is also a good idea when drawing a sketch of the problem to graphically, to scale, add the vectors by placing the tail of the second vector on the arrow of the first, then the tail of the 3rd vector on the arrow of the second, then draw a line from the tail of the first vector to the arrow of the third vector..that line is the resultant, and will give you a rough idea of the magnitude and direction of the resultant, as a sanity check.
 

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