REU vs. Research with Professor?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the comparative merits of conducting mathematics research with a professor one-on-one versus participating in a traditional mathematics Research Experience for Undergraduates (REU). Participants explore their experiences and opinions regarding the quality, depth, and outcomes of each option, considering factors such as mentorship, research quality, and implications for graduate school applications.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that working one-on-one with a professor may lead to more interesting and elegant research compared to typical REU projects.
  • Others argue that REUs provide structured experiences that can lead to publications and are often viewed as a stepping stone to individual research projects.
  • A participant notes that REUs typically require a paper by the end of the summer, which may limit the complexity of the research undertaken.
  • Another participant mentions that their experience with REUs has resulted in a higher frequency of publications compared to individual research projects, which may be less directed.
  • Concerns are raised about the quality of papers produced in REUs, with some suggesting that individual mentorship could lead to higher quality outcomes.
  • One participant points out that REUs are specific to the US and funded by the NSF, while similar opportunities may exist in other countries under different names.
  • Another participant encourages looking for research opportunities in Belgium, suggesting that there may be local institutes that offer research experiences despite the absence of formal REUs.
  • There is a light-hearted correction regarding the interchange of options (1) and (2) in a previous post, indicating a collaborative atmosphere in clarifying points.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relative merits of one-on-one research with a professor versus REUs, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge that their opinions are based on personal experiences, which may vary widely. The discussion highlights the importance of context, such as the specific research environment and individual goals, which may influence the decision between the two options.

zpconn
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Which would you recommend in general?

(1) Doing mathematics research with a professor more or less one-on-one over a summer or
(2) doing a traditional mathematics REU, of which I've already done one.

I ask because my favorite teacher at my school has been giving me some research-level problems to work on over the semester, and it has occurred to me that he may accept a request to mentor me over next summer provided he doesn't leave the country.

I know there are lots of details missing. I'm just hoping to get a general impression of what's thought about this, and it may be an interesting question for others as well for whom the details differ but the general question is the same.
 
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zpconn said:
Which would you recommend in general?

(1) Doing mathematics research with a professor more or less one-on-one over a summer or
(2) doing a traditional mathematics REU, of which I've already done one.

I ask because my favorite teacher at my school has been giving me some research-level problems to work on over the semester, and it has occurred to me that he may accept a request to mentor me over next summer provided he doesn't leave the country.

I know there are lots of details missing. I'm just hoping to get a general impression of what's thought about this, and it may be an interesting question for others as well for whom the details differ but the general question is the same.

I'm in the same boat and am leaning toward (2) because...

-In my experience, what you'll work on with your professor one on one will be MUCH more interesting and elegant than anything that most REU's can offer.

-I've always sort of viewed an REU as a stepping stone toward number (2).

-More freedom in (2) and although an REU is a taste of the research experience, working with a professor one on one for any length of time seems much more like what "real" research is like.

-Getting to know a professor in this regard is generally a good thing (LOR's, etc.)

Again, these are just my opinions based off my experience, and I too am interested in hearing what others say.
 
One thing to keep in mind is that REU's expect a paper by the end of the summer. If not, that's that, whereas with a professor you can continue with a bigger problem over a longer period of time. REU's, by nature, can't really be too difficult or unique because you have to be done by the end of the summer. I'd say if you have a professor willing to let you do research with him, take that chance.
 
I'd say they are about equivalent for grad school applications and overall experience. Funny, the schools I've attended saw research with a professor as a stepping stone to a REU instead of the other way around, and the REUs I've been in and supervised lead to publications much more often than the individual research projects, which were often less directed and the students put much less time into it.
 
eri said:
I'd say they are about equivalent for grad school applications and overall experience. Funny, the schools I've attended saw research with a professor as a stepping stone to a REU instead of the other way around, and the REUs I've been in and supervised lead to publications much more often than the individual research projects, which were often less directed and the students put much less time into it.

Interesting. You're talking about math REU's right? What about the quality of these papers? The REU I've done is well known for pumping out a lot of papers. Some of them are quite good but most of them are just alright. My (perhaps incorrect) assumption was that working with a professor all summer one on one would lead to a higher quality paper provided one is capable of producing such a paper in the first place.
 
REU? Hm, we don't even have that in Belgium, lucky :)
 
Sorry, no, these were physics/astrophysics. But I doubt there's much of a difference at least in the theory ones (not the observational ones). In physics it's still possible to finish a good, short project.

The REU program is funded by the NSF in the US, so it's a US-only program for US citizens. Other countries have similar programs but don't call it the same thing.
 
Well if they have it in Belgium, they're hiding it goddarned well :(
 
You probably have some institutes doing physics research in Belgium, right? Look them up and send them e-mails. It may well be the case that there aren't any "widely-advertised" openings, such as REUs in the US, but that doesn't mean undergrad students can't do research. Perhaps there is even an institute that collaborates heavily with your university and takes on students to do some of the work and to learn. This is all guesswork on my part, but I know that where I lived it was done this way, so it may be the same in Belgium. I think it's a direction you should consider looking in even if this isn't exactly the case.
 
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@Newtime: I think you interchanged (1) and (2) :P
 
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Landau said:
@Newtime: I think you interchanged (1) and (2) :P

Woops. Good catch. At least the meaning wasn't lost.
 

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