(revised+re-post)Upper and Lower sums & Riemann sums

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The discussion revolves around understanding upper and lower sums in the context of Riemann sums, particularly focusing on the inequalities that arise from these concepts. Participants are exploring the definitions and relationships between these mathematical constructs.

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  • The original poster attempts to understand the source of certain inequalities related to upper and lower sums and their connection to Riemann sums. They express confusion regarding specific notation and seek clarification on how to derive these inequalities. Other participants suggest using definitions and properties of partitions to explore the inequalities further.

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Participants are actively engaging with the questions raised, with some providing insights into the definitions and properties that might help clarify the original poster's confusion. There is an ongoing exploration of how to approach the inequalities and the relationship between Riemann sums and the fundamental theorem of calculus.

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If you look at the above, I have underlined the problem that I am having.

So, my first question is, where are these inequalities coming from? If you do have other questions involving such approach, please show me.

My other question is from the explanation of Riemann sum, I do not understand the sign "llPll
" thing and I am having trouble understanding Riemann sum and how it really is related to the upper and lower sums.

Thank you for your attention.
 
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you can write those reasonable easy with tex, click on it below

1)
x_{i-1} \leq \frac{x_{i-1} +x_{i}}{2} \leq x_{i}

comes pretty easy as by definition of your partition
x_{i-1} \leq x_{i}
and probably more actually
x_{i-1} < x_{i}

split them into two equalities
x_{i-1} \leq \frac{x_{i-1} +x_{i}}{2}
\frac{x_{i-1} +x_{i}}{2} \leq x_{i}

multiplying everything by 2 and subtract something & it should be easy to see

2) same thing as before, and the fact that in this case you know x_i \geq 1 , so x_{i-1}^2 <x_i^2

3) the last one is the definition of the integral as the limit of the sum when every partition appraches zero
 
I understand that these inequalities actually do 'work',

but what I do not understand is how you 'approach' these questions.

Like, I understand the concept of upper and lower sums, but how do I come up with the inequalities in the first place?

Do I need to first solve the integral by using the fundamental theorem, and then try to make it look that way by coming up with some inequalities?

How do I in the first place just go 'boom' and come up with the 2nd page's inequality?

Thanks for your attention and hopefully somebody will answer..
 

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