RF transmitter inside a metal enclosure, re. reflections

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the behavior of RF transmitters inside metal enclosures, particularly focusing on reflections and their impact on the efficiency of power transfer to receiving antennas. Participants explore theoretical and practical implications, including waveguide behavior, impedance matching, and the complexities of wave interference.

Discussion Character

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  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that a 1W RF transmitter could induce more than 1mW on a receiving antenna inside a reflective enclosure due to reflections, potentially approaching 1W under ideal conditions.
  • Others caution that real-world conditions, such as impedance mismatches and reactive impedances, could prevent optimal energy transfer, complicating the expected outcomes.
  • There is mention of the difficulty in approximating the increase in efficiency from adding the enclosure, with some estimates suggesting reflected energy could be significantly higher than the original incident power.
  • Participants note that optimization of such systems is complex and may require detailed theoretical analysis and computer modeling.
  • Concerns are raised about the impact of destructive interference and the non-isotropic nature of receiving antennas, which complicate the prediction of power transfer efficiency.
  • Some participants emphasize that the maximum power received cannot exceed the input power, regardless of reflections, and that the energy density within the cavity may differ from the power output.
  • There are discussions about the importance of resonance in the enclosure and how it affects the performance of both transmitting and receiving antennas.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views, with no consensus on the exact outcomes of placing an RF transmitter inside a metal enclosure. While some agree on the potential for increased efficiency due to reflections, others highlight the complexities and uncertainties involved, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on specific configurations, impedance matching, and the effects of wave interference, which are not fully specified. The discussion also acknowledges the challenges of working across a wide frequency range.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those involved in RF engineering, microwave engineering, and antenna design, particularly in contexts where enclosure effects on signal transmission are relevant.

  • #31
nsaspook said:
don't expect to find much that's actually new.
but, if you do make the most of already available knowledge, you will find loads to interest and satisfy you. Even Newton acknowledged the idea of standing on the shoulders of giants.
 
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  • #32
genekuli said:
Summary:: on an receiving antenna, that a 1W RF transmitter source might induce 1mW. But inside a RF reflective (metal) enclosure, this same scenario might induce more than the 1mW on a receiving antenna because of the duplication of apparent radiation sources of the reflections? maybe it might induce near 1W?

wavelength is .3 m to 6m, a 3m waveguide can do up to the 6m λ, so it will reflect all the frequencies concerned
The output will never exceed the input.

If there is a transmitter and receiver that receives , as it were, 'repeated' transmissions, then the impedance will decrease, like having multiple resistors receiving a current. Therefore, the effect of the box is that it can act as an impedance matching feature.

However, the output can be substantially less than the input, thus can act as an attenuator.

Those two things, each acting in their own way, will lead to you having made a band pass filter.

As if by magic, youtube provides the direct demonstration;-



HTH
 
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  • #33
sophiecentaur said:
but, if you do make the most of already available knowledge, you will find loads to interest and satisfy you. Even Newton acknowledged the idea of standing on the shoulders of giants.

This poster has been on several sites and we have already been in several conversations about his various, somewhat esoteric questions similar to this one.
 
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