Exact solutions for reflectance, transmittance, absorption?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around finding exact solutions for the surface transmittance (r), surface reflectance (t), and absorption coefficient (A) of thick glass samples using spectrophotometric measurements. Participants explore the theoretical framework and mathematical equations involved in determining these properties, including the application of Beer-Lambert's law and Fresnel equations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the equations for total reflected light (R) and total transmitted light (T) and expresses the complexity of solving for the unknown material properties r, t, and A using these equations.
  • Another participant suggests using Fresnel equations for surface reflectance and transmittance, but notes that knowledge of material properties is necessary to apply them.
  • A participant points out the challenge of not knowing the material properties, which complicates the use of Fresnel equations.
  • One response indicates that only the wavelength, refractive index, and angle of incidence are needed for Fresnel equations, suggesting that refractive index tables could be useful.
  • A participant mentions measuring semitransparent polymers and the difficulty in identifying the glass type, reiterating the need for an exact method to calculate r, t, and A from experimental measurements.
  • Another participant proposes a method to derive t² and r² from the equations for different thicknesses, suggesting a pathway to express A in terms of R, T, d, and d'.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility of obtaining exact solutions and the necessary information required to apply the relevant equations. There is no consensus on a definitive method or solution, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to calculate the material properties.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on knowledge of material properties, the complexity of the algebra involved, and the potential need for approximations that may not yield exact solutions.

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I'm measuring transmittance through and reflectance from thick glass samples, using spectrophotometers. Does anyone know if there's an exact solution for the surface transmittance r, surface reflectance t, and absorption coefficient A (as in Beer-Lamberts law). For a specific wavelength the equation for total reflected light from the sample, R, is

R=r(1+t2e-2Ad)/(1-r2e-2Ad)

and the equation for the total transmitted light through the sample, T, is

T=t2e-Ad/(1-r2e-2Ad)

R and T are measured, thus known variables. So we have the unknown material properties r, t, and A, and two equations. I can measure a sample of the same material with another thickness d and then I have four equations and three unknowns. This should theoretically be enough but the algebraic becomes very complicated and I wonder if there actually is an analytic solution.

Of course I can approximate 1>>rre-2Ad in the second equation and obtain A by dividing the second equation for one thickness with the same equation for another thickness, but then it is no longer the exact solution.

Any help is most appreciated, as always. Thanks!
 
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M_1 said:
Does anyone know if there's an exact solution for the surface transmittance r, surface reflectance t, and absorption coefficient A
For surface reflectance and transmittance, you can use Fresnel equations. For the absorption, I think it will be easier to just look up at the table of the corresponding material.
 
Thanks! But I don't know the materials properties. Therefore I don't know the complex refraction index and cannot use the Fresnel equations.
 
For Fresnel equations, you only need to know the used wavelength, the refractive index corresponding to this wavelength, and the angle of incidence (which I think should be normal given the form of the total reflectance and transmittance). Try typing the name of that glass in your browser to see if there is refractive index table already available for that material.
 
Ok I see what you mean. But I also sometimes measure on semitransparent polymers which I have now knowledge about, and sometimes I don't know which glass I have either! What I'm looking for is an exact method to use experimental measurements of spectral reflectance and transmittance in order to calculate the material properties r, t, and A.
 
Does not seem too complicated. Let R, T be the reflectance and transmission for thickness d, and R', T' the corresponding ones at thickness d'.
Then form RT'/(R'T) and solve for ##t^2##. Insert into the equation for T and solve for ##r^2##. Insert both ##t^2## and ##r^2## into the equation for R and you will get an expression which only contains a in terms of R, T, d and d'.
 

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