Ricco the Fruit Bat: Calm Down and Use the Cat Box

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Ricco, a small Japanese Chin dog nicknamed "The Fruit Bat," has developed a fear of the cat's litter box after a traumatic incident where he was startled while using it. Efforts to calm him down included praise and treats, but he has not returned to the box since. Suggestions from the discussion included waiting for him to urgently need to go and gently placing him in the box, as well as potentially relocating the box or using a different one to break the negative association. The conversation also touched on the challenges of training dogs in cold weather and humorous ideas for keeping him safe outside. Overall, patience and positive reinforcement are emphasized as key strategies to help him overcome his fear.
  • #51
Hey--Evo---have you found 'your' camera yet? A view of your 'Grand Canyon' would be interesting.
 
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  • #52
Astronuc said:
Make sure the video camera is ready. Classic youtube stuff!

Seriously, one could tether the box or dog.

We use a 25 ft tether with our dog so she doesn't run off chasing something. We live on a busy street, and she's tried to take off after small animals, or she follows the scents in the yard.

Use a bungie cord :smile:. Please.
 
  • #53
rewebster said:
Hey--Evo---have you found 'your' camera yet? A view of your 'Grand Canyon' would be interesting.
I moved it, or thought I did, but now i can't find it.

I do have my Italian ex-fiance's very nice camera which someday I will actually ship to him. Really.

I also have the Evo Child's video camera which has a film cassette jammed into it, I need to get it fixed.

So, you ARE alive. How are you feeling?

rewebster said:
I've got a 'smaller' dog---when it snows a lot, I'll go out and walk a path, shuffling my feet, to break a trail for her to walk in.
You forget to whom you are speaking. If I tried to create a path frm my patio, it would be from me careening into the CHASM OF DEATH.
 
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  • #54
Evo said:
You forget to whom you are speaking. If I tried to create a path frm my patio, it would be from me careening into the CHASM OF DEATH.
When you put it that way, I have to picture jagged rocks at the bottom of a precipice. Tell the truth, now - it's really the gully of mild concern, isn't it? :rolleyes: Is that why you "can't find" your camera? :devil: You'll be blaming your move for everything for at least another year or two.
 
  • #55
turbo-1 said:
When you put it that way, I have to picture jagged rocks at the bottom of a precipice. Tell the truth, now - it's really the gully of mild concern, isn't it? :rolleyes: Is that why you "can't find" your camera? :devil: You'll be blaming your move for everything for at least another year or two.
:redface: Ok, so it's a slight slope to an edge of rocks at the edge of the craggy precipice (ok, so the boulders were placed at the edge to prevent erosion). It is a pretty straight drop down about 10 feet to the ground which then slopes again another 10-20 feet down to the creek (depending where you are). I've been known to get injured on perfectly flat land, this is a death trap for me. I'm trying to get the Evo Child over in the daylight so she can take a picture with her cell phone.
 
  • #56
What about letting the little guy out the front door?
 
  • #57
OK, is it something like -

http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/8308/moatel2.jpg

and I'm wondering, why did you pick a place at the edge of a cliff? :confused: Besides the view that is. :biggrin:
 
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  • #58
Astronuc said:
What about letting the little guy out the front door?
He would much prefer the front, but the apartment I live in has a recessed entry and there is an apartment next to mine, there is a walkway between the units that reach our front doors, with nice landscaping (a dog's dream). I don't want the entry way to our doors saturated with dog pee. And do NOT expect me to get dressed up and take hime walking out in the front. In this weather I crack the back door open and let him run out into the backyard to do his thing, it's one of the reasons I chose the place I'm not walking the dog in freezing rain at 3am.
 
  • #59
And do NOT expect me to get dressed up
No, I wouldn't expect you to get dressed . . . up. :biggrin:

But seriously, for as long as that is possible, I see your point about the neighbors and the desire to avoid using the front entry area.
 
  • #60
Astronuc said:
OK, is it something like -

http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/8308/moatel2.jpg

and I'm wondering, why did you pick a place at the edge of a cliff? :confused: Besides the view that is. :biggrin:
It's more like a copse of trees down in an old stream bed. It runs several miles through an area which is now being heavily developed. Whoa, the stream is the "Blue River", it's just really narrow near my house.
 
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Evo said:
It's more like a copse of trees down in an old stream bed. It runs several miles through an area which is now being heavily developed. Whoa, the stream is the "Blue River", it's just really narrow near my house.
As opposed to the "Moon River". :smile:

All you need now is a dam and hydropower station. :biggrin:
 
  • #62
Astronuc said:
As opposed to the "Moon River". :smile:

All you need now is a dam and hydropower station. :biggrin:
Sure, and you can add drowning to Evo's likely fractures and lacerations. If she were locked in an empty padded room, she'd find a way to injure herself.
 
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  • #63
Evo said:
I moved it, or thought I did, but now i can't find it.

It may have been tossed--(the bad dumpster bit)



Evo said:
I do have my Italian ex-fiance's very nice camera which someday I will actually ship to him. Really.

Does he really want it?---maybe he could give it to you as a parting gift (you had to look as far away as Italy for a mate??:bugeye:)


Evo said:
I also have the Evo Child's video camera which has a film cassette jammed into it, I need to get it fixed.
photos!--not video

Evo said:
So, you ARE alive. How are you feeling?


yeah thanks--it went from the flu to a chest cold to a sinus--still have aches, headache, and ringing in the ears--the doc said, "and this too will pass"----alive?--there were three or four days where it felt like it didn't matter--couple people called during that time just to make sure I was--the kind of thing you wish on your enemies.

Evo said:
You forget to whom you are speaking. If I tried to create a path from my patio, it would be from me careening into the CHASM OF DEATH.

The path doesn't have to be a full, down to the edge of the 'Royal Gorge" round trip--just a little circle drive.
 
  • #66
When the ground thaws, go to Home Depot and pick up some 4' grade stakes and a roll of green plastic mesh fencing molded with small squares and build the little rascal a "playpen" out back where he can do his stuff. All you'll need is a hammer to pound the stakes in the ground, some twine to fasten the mesh to the stakes, and a pair of pruning shears to trim the mesh to length. No power tools, no sharp edges if you can keep your fingers out of the shears - practically Evo-proof!
 
  • #67
Evo said:
I moved it, or thought I did, but now i can't find it.

I do have my Italian ex-fiance's very nice camera which someday I will actually ship to him. Really.

I also have the Evo Child's video camera which has a film cassette jammed into it, I need to get it fixed.

So, you ARE alive. How are you feeling?

You forget to whom you are speaking. If I tried to create a path frm my patio, it would be from me careening into the CHASM OF DEATH.

I was re-reading this thread, and maybe I haven't been 'down' here in the GD long enough to see any threads on this, but there has to be some other thread(s) about the 'Italian ex-fiance'----it can't be that long ago, if the camera is still in the USA--is (was) he part of the forum?---
 
  • #68
rewebster said:
I was re-reading this thread, and maybe I haven't been 'down' here in the GD long enough to see any threads on this, but there has to be some other thread(s) about the 'Italian ex-fiance'----it can't be that long ago, if the camera is still in the USA--is (was) he part of the forum?---
I always just referred to him as my best friend in Italy. He became very depressed when his father died of cancer and we drifted apart. Actually, we never officially ended our engagement, but since we hardly talk to each other anymore, and since I never sent him his camera, I consider it over. :rolleyes:
 
  • #69
Evo said:
I always just referred to him as my best friend in Italy. He became very depressed when his father died of cancer and we drifted apart. Actually, we never officially ended our engagement, but since we hardly talk to each other anymore, and since I never sent him his camera, I consider it over. :rolleyes:

Well, CONGRATULATIONS on your recent engagement---but sorry to hear that (it may be) over-----hey---after all the talk about NOT having a *whatever*----THERE was something at least--and it seems, not to long ago.

Did you meet him in Italy?

where are the threads on this *topic*?

Can someone post the links?
 
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rewebster said:
Well, CONGRATULATIONS on your recent engagement---but sorry to hear that (it may be) over-----hey---after all the talk about NOT having a *whatever*----THERE was something at least--and it seems, not to long ago.

Did you meet him in Italy?
We got engaged about 10 years ago, and we started drifting apart at the time I became a member here. We met video conferencing, about 6 months later, I decided to meet him and flew to Italy, he proposed to me during that trip. He is one of the smartest, funniest people I've ever met.

Ok, this isn't a good picture of him, but it's all I have on this computer.
 

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  • #71
Too bad it didn't work--anytime anybody finds somebody to be with on that level and it doesn't work, is both good and not good--


so on line stuff CAN work---(to some extent)---I guess if it worked once, it may work again



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why does it show that you are never 'Online' (in orange)?
 
  • #72
rewebster said:
Too bad it didn't work--anytime anybody finds somebody to be with on that level and it doesn't work, is both good and not good--


so on line stuff CAN work---(to some extent)---I guess if it worked once, it may work again
We were like two halves of a whole. My biggest problem, and the reason I don't want to try to push things back together is the fact that he is 18 years younger than I am. I am only one year younger than his mother.

why does it show that you are never 'Online' (in orange)?
Because I don't actually exist, I'm just a test program that chroot wrote.
 
  • #73
Evo said:
We were like two halves of a whole. My biggest problem, and the reason I don't want to try to push things back together is the fact that he is 18 years younger than I am. I am only one year younger than his mother.

Because I don't actually exist, I'm just a test program that chroot wrote.

I've tried that too--both on the younger side (a few times) and the older side (twice)---fun, interesting, and lasted a while, but... oh, well--------- and, OHHHH, MAMAAA (mia)


I think testy more often than not--but seriously, why? (is it a "mentor" 'thing'?)

____________________

well, that camera is about 10 years old then too---I still use a Mavica FD-75 because it takes pretty good, low kb, diskette photos when in the 'standard' mode--good for emailing.
 
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  • #74
rewebster said:
I think testy more often than not--but seriously, why? (is it a "mentor" 'thing'?)
This forum is vBulletin, so it supports "shadow" or invisible users. You can log on invisibly - meaning that your name does not show up in the who's online list, nor does the "online" orange show up for you for others to see.

I don't know where the option is buried, and do not care. It may just be available to a subset of users, I dunno.

Ask Greg or Warren down in the issues area.
 
  • #75
jim mcnamara said:
Ask Greg or Warren down in the issues area.
Oh, I had forgotten that invisible was not an option for regular members.

I think testy more often than not-
:devil: I've been in a bad mood this year.
 
  • #76
Hey---blame the wet grass, the idiot "boyfriend" helper, and the crapper shelf bracket, and (did I miss something?)---
 
  • #77
*Slowly backs away to a safe distance from rewbster*
 
  • #78
rewebster said:
Hey---blame the wet grass, the idiot "boyfriend" helper, and the crapper shelf bracket, and (did I miss something?)---
the idiot helper was not a boyfreind, he was a hired idiot.
 
  • #79
well, let me be the first, then,...


HAPPIER NEW YEAR!
 
  • #80
rewebster said:
well, let me be the first, then,...


HAPPIER NEW YEAR!
My arm needs to be re-boken, and I have an abscessed tooth. I have GERD from the stress from my job, not a good start. :devil:
 
  • #81
Evo said:
I have GERD from the stress from my job,

That diagnosis is increasingly challenged. That's what the German doctor told me, but I had no idea where that stress should come from. So I went for a second opinion and my Dutch physician ordered a blood test. Diagnosis: http://ezinearticles.com/?Heartburn:-Dont-Blame-Stress;-Its-Usually-an-Infection&id=112878.

Treatment: Proper antibiotics. Result: Even after several years I haven't used a single medicine against heartburn again.

Those guys didn't get the Nobel price for nothing.
 
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  • #82
Andre said:
That diagnosis is increasingly challenged. That's what the German doctor told me, but I had no idea where that stress should come from. So I went for a second opinion and my Dutch physician ordered a blood test. Diagnosis: http://ezinearticles.com/?Heartburn:-Dont-Blame-Stress;-Its-Usually-an-Infection&id=112878.

Treatment: Proper antibiotics. Result: Even after several years I haven't used a single medicine against heartburn again.

Those guys didn't get the Nobel price for nothing.
I'm vomiting in my sleep, my esophagus is in really bad shape from all of the reflux, my client had to have surgery, but he's doing much better. I may have to have surgery to repair my esophagus. I've had it for years, goes away when I'm not stressed, comes back really bad during prolonged stress.
 
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  • #83
Astronuc said:
http://delargy.com/images/2004_7_Colorado/cable car.JPG
Is that the Royal Gorge cable car?

Funny, I've never seen the top. I've usually seen it from the bottom where it looks more like this: http://www.helmboldt.us/roygorg3.jpg

Actually, that's Sunshine Falls a little upriver of the bridge. We've never gotten everyone on the same side in any of my boats. Those guys are doomed.

We never went through holding our paddles like these guys either. Things usually turn out better if you're leaning forward and attacking: http://travel.webshots.com/photo/2896718570049989613VNDkkG Those guys are doomed.

I don't want to steal that guys thunder by posting all of his pics. If you click on the red "Royal Gorge Rafting", you can see the entire sequence of their trip through Sunshine Falls.

The Gorge is a blast!
 
  • #84
Evo said:
I've had it for years, goes away when I'm not stressed, comes back really bad during prolonged stress.

But that doesn't rule out the original cause to be a chronical infection, the resistance again which may be dependant on general body condition ie stress can play a role but does not cause it.

(I had it for years, coming and going)

Wouldn't hurt to consult the doctor and discuss the different Helicobacter species http://ezinearticles.com/?Heartburn:-Dont-Blame-Stress;-Its-Usually-an-Infection&id=112878.
 
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  • #85
Andre said:
But that doesn't rule out the original cause to be a chronical infection, the resistance again which may be dependant on general body condition ie stress can play a role but does not cause it.

(I had it for years, coming and going)

Wouldn't hurt to consult the doctor and discuss the different Helicobacter species http://ezinearticles.com/?Heartburn:-Dont-Blame-Stress;-Its-Usually-an-Infection&id=112878.
I know that ulcers are cuased by them, I'll ask him. I'm under some super expensive medication for it now that helps healing.
 
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  • #86
BobG said:
Is that the Royal Gorge cable car?

Funny, I've never seen the top. I've usually seen it from the bottom where it looks more like this: http://www.helmboldt.us/roygorg3.jpg

The Gorge is a blast!
I think that's from the Cable car.

I've been at the Gorge - more than 30 years ago. Yeah, it's an interesting place. One of these days I may get back there, but then I've my priorities on S. America, Africa and a few other places.
 
  • #87
Evo said:
I'm vomiting in my sleep, my esophagus is in really bad shape from all of the reflux, my client had to have surgery, but he's doing much better. I may have to have surgery to repair my esophagus. I've had it for years, goes away when I'm not stressed, comes back really bad during prolonged stress.
Oh, dear! We got to find away to de-stress you. Hmmmm!
 
  • #88
Astronuc said:
Oh, dear! We got to find away to de-stress you. Hmmmm!

Well. We could send money and a plane ticket to Hawaii.
 
  • #89
Math Jeans said:
Well. We could send money and a plane ticket to Hawaii.
I REALLY like Math Jeans. :smile:
 
  • #90
Cheaper to send some chocolates... she'll bail out pretty quick.
 
  • #91
Evo said:
I'll ask him.

Better insist on a blood test. If it is positive, you'd be amazed how quickly things heal with the proper antibiotics.
 
  • #92
Evo said:
My arm needs to be re-broken, and I have an abscessed tooth. I have GERD from the stress from my job, not a good start. :devil:



Evo said:
I'm vomiting in my sleep, my esophagus is in really bad shape from all of the reflux, my client had to have surgery, but he's doing much better. I may have to have surgery to repair my esophagus. I've had it for years, goes away when I'm not stressed, comes back really bad during prolonged stress.

oh, boy-----


repeat after me:


AAAh---Oooooommmmmmmmmm


AAAh---Oooooooommmmmmmmm


AAAh---Oooooooommmmmmmmm

(meditation/medication chant to relax)


-------------------------

Evo--that really does sound 'not good'--

The bad thing is that the symptoms cause even more stress which makes the problem worse.
 
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  • #93
Well I don't know if you've solved your problem by now. If not, here is my suggestion.

What you want to do is to dissassociate the cat litter with "Bad Place" or, failing that, reassociate it with a "Good Place". Here's how:

Scream continually whenever he is NOT in the catbox. Eventually, he will stumble across the catbox and then you stop screaming. The moment he steps out of it, start screaming again.

After a few days he'll learn. But the key is consistency.
 
  • #94
DaveC426913 said:
Well I don't know if you've solved your problem by now. If not, here is my suggestion.

What you want to do is to dissassociate the cat litter with "Bad Place" or, failing that, reassociate it with a "Good Place". Here's how:

Scream continually whenever he is NOT in the catbox. Eventually, he will stumble across the catbox and then you stop screaming. The moment he steps out of it, start screaming again.

After a few days he'll learn. But the key is consistency.
:smile: :smile: :smile:

I see our "funiest member" for 2008 already. :biggrin:
 

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