Riemann Integrability of Thomae's Function

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The discussion revolves around the Riemann integrability of Thomae's function, which is defined on the interval [0,1]. Participants are exploring methods to demonstrate its integrability without resorting to measure theory or Lebesgue integration.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss constructing a sequence of continuous functions that converge uniformly to Thomae's function. There is a focus on defining these functions and ensuring their continuity.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered suggestions for constructing sequences of functions that approximate Thomae's function. There is ongoing exploration of uniform convergence and the relationship between continuity and Riemann integrability.

Contextual Notes

Participants are considering the implications of the set of points of continuity in relation to Riemann integrability and are working within the constraints of the problem statement that prohibits the use of measure theory.

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Homework Statement


Show the Thomae's function f : [0,1] → ℝ which is defined by [itex]f(x) = \begin{cases} \frac{1}{n}, & \text{if $x = \frac{m}{n}$, where $m, n \in \mathbb{N}$ and are relatively prime} \\ 0, & \text{otherwise} \end{cases}[/itex] is Riemann integrable.


Homework Equations


Thm: If fn : [a,b] → ℝ is Riemann integrable for each n, and fn → f uniformly on [a,b], then f is Riemann integrable.

Trying to do this without invoking any sort of measure theory/Lebesgue integration.


The Attempt at a Solution


I've been stumped on this one for awhile now. Basically I've been trying to construct a sequence of Riemann integrable functions from [0,1] to ℝ that are continuous (and therefore Riemann integrable) that converge uniformly to Thomae's function. Unfortunately, I haven't been able to construct such a sequence of functions. The function that I'm trying to "tweak" right now is:

gn : [0,1] → ℝ defined by [itex]g_n = x \cos^{2n}(p! \pi x)[/itex].

I need to show that gn is continuous for each n (easy). I need to show that gn converges uniformly to the function g : [0,1] → ℝ given by

[tex]g(x) = \begin{cases} x, & \text{if $x=k/p!$, where $0 \leq k \leq p!$} \\ 0, & \text{otherwise} \end{cases}[/tex]

Here lies a bit of a mental barrier for me. I know that I haven't showed that g(x) = f(x), but I'm having trouble showing that gn → g uniformly since the value of g depends pointwise on x. I argue that if x is of the form k/p!, where 0 ≤ k ≤ p!, then gn(x) → g(x) uniformly (i can show this). Then I argue that this implies that if y is "otherwise," then gn(y) → g(y) uniformly as well since g(y) ≤ g(x), where x is of the form mentioned above.

Anyways, I'm having a hard time believing my own argument. Does this work? If it doesn,t is it even possible to construct a sequence of continuous functions converging uniformly to Thomae's function?
 
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Do you know of any results relating the set of points of continuity to Riemann

integrability?
 
No I don't. I need to show this using uniform convergence (if that is possible).
 
A suggestion:

Try defining a sequence that mimicks/approaches the Thomae function.

Start with an enumeration of the rationals, and assume they are given

in reduced/lowest form. Then define f_n(x). You can

start by defining f_1(x)=1/m for x=a_1, and ? otherwise . Does that help? I'm sorry, I must go for a few hours; if I'm not back tonight, I will be back tomorrow.
 
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Sorry I'm a bit confused when you say an enumeration of the rationals. Arn't the only rationals we're concerned about between 0 and 1? Can you elaborate a bit more on how you're defining f_n and what is a_1?
 
Yes, sorry, I meant the rationals in [0,1]. Since the rationals are countable,

we can arrange them as a sequence {rn} , which assigns to n the

n-th rational, and we assume we have these rationals in lowest terms, i.e., if

rn=an/bn, then :

gcd(an,bn)=1

( this reduction is always possible, e.g., by the

fund. thm of arithmetic ). Now, I'm trying to suggest how to construct the sequence : we

want a sequence {f_n} of

functions that converges to the Thomae function uniformly. We can then define the first

term f1 of the sequence like this:f1(r1)=f(a1/b1):=1/b1, and

f1(x)=0 for x in [0,1]\{r_1}; f_2(a_1)=1/b_1 ; f_2(a_2)=1/b_2 ; f:[0,1]\{r_1\/r_2}=?

Can you see how to continue defining f2(r_n), and then fn?

Does that help?
 
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Yes. That makes perfect sense. Thank you. Currently I'm working on showing fn → f uniformly.
 

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