Rings, ideals, prime and maximal

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The discussion revolves around a proof concerning the properties of prime ideals in a ring and the characterization of a multiplicative system. The original poster is attempting to prove that the set of elements in a ring, excluding the union of a family of prime ideals, forms a multiplicative system.

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  • The original poster presents a proof attempt but expresses concern about the implications of removing prime ideals that may not be maximal, questioning whether non-units could remain in the set.
  • Participants seek clarification on the definitions of a multiplicative system and a multiplicative group.
  • Some participants challenge the validity of the proof based on the original poster's concerns and suggest that the proof may not hold as presented.
  • One participant proposes an alternative reasoning based on the definition of prime ideals, indicating that a product of elements not in the prime ideals would lead to a contradiction if the set were not multiplicatively closed.

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There is an emphasis on the definitions of prime ideals and multiplicative systems, with participants questioning the assumptions made in the original proof. The discussion reflects a careful consideration of the implications of the definitions in the context of the problem.

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I just turned in this homework and I want to know if I got it right. The proof is pretty simple, but I think I might be using a theorem in the wrong way.

Homework Statement



[tex]\{P_{i} : i \in \Lambda \}[/tex] is a family of prime ideals in a ring, R. Prove that [tex]R \setminus \{ \cup_{i \in \Lambda} P_{i} \}[/tex] is a multiplicative system.


2. Relevant theorems

  1. Let R be a ring. An element [tex]u \in R[/tex] is called a unit if it has an inverse in R.
  2. Let R be a ring. The union of all maximal ideals of R is the set of non-units in R.
  3. Any Maximal ideal is also a prime ideal .

The Attempt at a Solution


Any maximal ideal is also a prime ideal. Hence,
[tex]\cup_{M max} M \subseteq \cup_{i \in \Lambda} P_{i}[/tex].
Then every element in
[tex]R \setminus \{ \cup_{i \in \Lambda} P_{i} \}[/tex]
is a unit. (We have removed all non-units and, possibly, some units since there may be prime ideals that are not maximal.) The set of units is closed under multiplication because, if a and b are units, then c=ab has an inverse [tex]c^{-1}=b^{-1}a^{-1}[/tex].
[tex]1 \in R \setminus \{ \cup_{i \in \Lambda} P_{i} \}[/tex].
1 is not in any of the prime ideals, hence,
[tex]R \setminus \{ \cup_{i \in \Lambda} P_{i} \}[/tex]
is a multiplicative system.



So would this work? It bothers me that when we remove [tex]\cup_{i \in \Lambda} P_{i}[/tex] from R we are not just taking out the maximal ideals, but also the prime ideals that may not be maximal. Could this lead to some non-units remaining in the set?
 
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What is a multiplicative system? A multiplicative group?
 
morphism said:
What is a multiplicative system? A multiplicative group?

A multiplicative system is a set closed under multiplication and containing the multiplicative identity.
 
bump.
 
Then I don't think your proof is valid as it stands.
 
morphism said:
Then I don't think your proof is valid as it stands.

Because of the issue I mentioned or something else.
 
Because of the issue you mentioned.
 
This doesn't require any theorems, really. Only the definition of a prime ideal. Just take an arbitrary product of elements in the set, ie. elements that are NOT in any of these prime ideals. Hence if the set were not multiplicatively closed, this product would be in the union of the prime ideals and hence contained in some prime ideal (by definition of a set theoretic union) and hence, by definition of prime ideal, some element would be in the prime ideal, contradicting the element NOT being in any of the prime ideals.
 

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