RIP Pope John Paul II - A Day of Respect and Mourning

[klusener]

cronxeh just hits all the major points right in the eye, I definitely admire him as a person but his views caused so much devastation in the third-world countries, Africa and Asia, that will take so many years to atleast repaire these things.. The major point is AIDS, there are so many devoted Catholics in Africa and Asia, without contraceptives, the already high rate of AIDS has climbed exponentially.. So many people died just because of that one view, in India, it is up to the rest of us, we try to bargain with these people who blindly follow him without one thought to logic or practicality to use contraceptives to stop AIDS.. That said, I like him as a person..

 

[1123581321]

Russ that's the problem with this whole thing - how is a world leader or any other dignitary more important than any other human being?

For effs sake its just a freaking pope people! He spread lies and what little good he did cancels out with overall evil he helped spread.

Edit: Besides, everyday people die and some of them have a more dignitary life than any pope combined - yet nobody mentions them.

Wow, the guy died and your being a jerk about it. I don't really get pissed off that much, but you just did it. "spread evil"? explain to me how the hell he "spread evil"? true, people die all the time, but the pope did a lot of good. He was the leader of 2,000,000,000 catholics on this world, and he was not important? Just a pope? if you are not catholic, i can understand, but can't you quit being a jerk-hole and let the people who did appreciate him mourn him? hate to tell you, but you are not a world leader. i am not a world leader. no one really cares when we die, except for family and friends. i probably pissed a lot of folks off, but i don't care. this is a thread to honor the pope, go start your own f'n thread to make fun of him, don't ruin this one.
I feel better now.

Fibonacci

Edit: sorry for ranting, but had to do it. don't mean to offend anyone but cronexeh.

 

[cronxeh]

im not offended - i actually feel sorry for you

edit: and if you think catholic church hasnt done bad things for the humanity at large - read other posts after mine

that being said.. i care about those 2 billion people you mentioned.. i hope someday they'll find the truth, and as for being a jerk and whatnot - i already said that i mourn his death as a human being, not as a leader of 2B+ people

 

[1123581321]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/aids/story/0,7369,1059068,00.html

Well this article alone is enough for JP2 to burn in hell for all eternity.

you have serious mental issues, in fact, when you die, you won't even go to hell because you will use the insanity arguement.
Burn in hell,
Fibonacci

 

[cronxeh]

Ill say hi to the pope from you

 

[SOS2008]

...jerk-hole

Edit: sorry for ranting, but had to do it. don't mean to offend anyone but cronexeh.

And I thought I was the great "insulter"...

 

[SOS2008]

you have serious mental issues, in fact, when you die, you won't even go to hell because you will use the insanity arguement.
Burn in hell,
Fibonacci

Check out the "Cosmology - limits of science thread"

 

[stoned]

were you brought catholic or hebrew Cronex ? just wondering.

 

[Danger]

He was the leader of 2,000,000,000 catholics on this world,

Of course, if it weren't for one of the truly insane policies of the church, there wouldn't be 2,000,000,000 Catholics.

 

[SOS2008]

I would agree with you, but I don't watch TV, but I'm sure If I did I'd agree with you.

The news media spends days on the OJ trial, and days on the Schiavo case, and days on the Pope's funeral. These things are news, but it does not mean all other events in the world suddenly stopped and can't be reported on as well. As for the Pope, he was fortunate to live a long and good life. All the people of the world can hope to be as fortunate.

 

[cronxeh]

were you brought catholic or hebrew Cronex ? just wondering.

aww those are my only options?

darn. well I've been exposed to a few religions and in two countries, oceans apart - from islam to orthodox christianity to judaism recently, but never had any particular religion. now that i think about it - if i was pushed towards either of those religions i would probably been a believer today

alas, my parents and family at large weren't that religious - i guess their education is to blame

 

[cronxeh]

and hey, if you think I'm harsh about the Pope's death, i suggest you read the redneck baptist rebuttal:

http://www.godhatesamerica.com/
-- This website, along with godhatesfags.com, godhatessweden.com, godhatescanada.com, and some other nasty names is run by Westboro Buptist Church in Topeka, Kansas. You'd think I'm making this stuff up, but you can go to their website and find their 'upcomming pickets' where they go to the gay events and start harrasing people with their hatred - there are pictures online:
http://www.sbcbaptistpress.org/images/IMG200344534LO.jpg
Some more info here: http://irvineprogressive.com/vol2issue2/news1.htm
http://www.godhatesfags.com/main/aboutwbc.html ---

Front and center on their website (godhatesamerica.com) :

Thank God the Pope is DEAD!



The Pope is in HELL!



The Pope, and all his idolatry, is singlehandedly responsible for sending millions of souls to hell. By preaching his doctrine of devils, that there is no hell, and by seducing millions of souls to bow down to idols, he has done the work of his father the devil (John 8:44) all the days of his miserable life.

Moreover, the Pope is a fag enabler, if not a practicing fag himself! How else can you explain his tacit approval of the pedophiles they call priests in the Catholic whore house? If he were a righteous man, a bishop blameless, a steward of God, he would have put a stop to the buggery as soon as he became the Pope, and made it known that it would not be tolerated. Rather, he was complicitous in their sins, promoting fag priests who did unspeakable things with little children to be heads in his apostate whorehouse masquerading as a church! WHY? BECAUSE HE LOVED IT SO! He had his good things in this life (a throne upon which he sat, gold to adorn himself, and an empire to run), and is even now being tormented (Luke 16:25).

He did not fulfill the Scriptural commandments of his office, to wit:

"Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind; Neither as being lords over God’s heritage, but being ensamples to the flock". (1 Peter 5:2-3)

"A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity; (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?) Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil. Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil."

See our flyers on this matter here and here.

Hear Fred Phelps' Sermon regarding the Pope here.



ENTER godhatesamerica.com

It speaks for itself

 

[Moses]

Don't worry, you haven't changed this thread, but you do have change my words. I said: it has been accurately demonstrated that nowadays muslim religion and muslim leaders dislike Catholic religion. In fact, they call us the "unfaithful" (correct me, but I think the Coran refers to this word when talking about christians, if I am wrong sorry then). On the other hand, the head of Catholic Church and the Church itself have forgotten all about the spanish Reconquist and this sort of old troubles. It is muslim religion and muslims leaders who seem not to have forgotten it yet.

On the contrary, John Paul II has collaborated joining each religion (recall Asis Assembly where every religious leaders of the world were invited by him to talk and to share about each religion, he promoted the event) because he did think every faithful men thinks of the same. On the contrary, he collaborated providing stability to the world, not like the leaders of muslim religion (we DO know that they promote instabilities across the entire world).

As a result John Paul II was a figure of humanity and comprehension, and by the way he did a lot to defeat comunism in Poland and make polish men free. Also he traveled to poor places, where no politician want to go, where poorest and undefended people live, giving them hopeness and listening them.

All of these was closed to an extraordinary sense of humor.

Don't forget, Moses, there is an essential difference as far as how Catholic (and occidental) church views the World, how we try to built over it peacefully, and on the contrary how muslim relgious leaders see the world, reinstauring pain and fear, actively destroying the equilibrium in world, and recalling old battles which have been forgotten in occident a lot of time ago.

Now is when Evo closes the thread. I apoligize if I have said something non political correct, but I feel it is neccesary to use the Democracy to say the truth, no matter who is offended and no matter how it sounds. I am not going to be dishonest with myself saying stupidities only for giving a pretty appearance of tolerance. I have started this thread and I think it is needed a clarification and underline the labour of the Pope John Paul II also by comparing with another people who has apparently the same position and by the way a greater number of believers, and who haven't made nothing positive for improving the life in this planet.

"Al pan pan, y al vino vino". or
"Las cosas claras y el chocolate espeso", are two adages in spanish which mean "the more clarified what is talked, the better"

Chill out Clausuis2, some people here ATTACKED the Pope in person and you did not say anything, it sounds you hate muslims and Islam more than you are loyal to your religuos [I don't think i am wrong, still i am not arrogant and happy to show me if i ,being a human, can be wrong] Regardless of my religion [if i have any] i have an issue(s) to say:

Colonization, WW1, WW2, SLAVERY +discrimination against Jew, Muslims, Blacks, Native Indians and many other i guess you should go truthfully serach for the Catholic Church position from them at those times and now. I know you are smart, Engineer Guru, and you can use google, its not a taboo

Muslims Leaders ..etc? Man generalizing is at least: NOT cool [specially other stuff as well u said without proofs]. Do you accept other humans generalize about christianty via seeing the colonization or the crusades don't by Catholics [& other christian gruops] I think the logic asnwer is: NO.

Islam religion is amazing, Muslims leaders can do good or bad, and luckily always the majority of them are justice scholars. Islam make the Eastern Roman Empire and Persoan who were enemis a BROTHER and SISTER under Islam Advance in science in middle ages is majorly becuase of muslims scientist who gave to ALL humanity.

Muslims now don't have their Top religuios leader, the Caliph since WW1. Why? The Anti-muslim and religion goverments of the European Colonizers desttoy the only Super Power against their colonization plans, specially in the Holy Land and the Middle east. I will not speak about the Pope Situation at that time from that...at least i am sure Muslims favors to the world are NOT LESS of the Christians, I amk sure too they, as not-perfect humans did not less ahrm to humanity [got it?] Spreading happiness and bortherhood in the age of Crusaders and Colonization that stole others moeny and spread pain and TERRORISM

Once again, Clasuis2, Plz accept my sadness sharing in losing Pope John Paul II, he done very good actions worth to thank him for it. At last, Quran NEVER Called Christians unfaithful. Quran disagree with the fact Christians worhsip Jesus the Messenger of God to the Israelis + other stuff. Quran call them "Coverers" i.e they "Cover" some favors of God by worshippin other beside him,Chaging His Book the Gospel "of Jesus" and making major erros in disobying His laws.

I hope if a muslim come and see this thread, he won't be offended by your "propaganda" against them. May The Heat, The Heat of the ignorance be cooled down. Peace be upon open minded people, good wishes to others.

 

[marlon]

and on the contrary how muslim relgious leaders see the world, reinstauring pain and fear, actively destroying the equilibrium in world, and recalling old battles which have been forgotten in occident a lot of time ago.

Amen to that my dear friend. I completely agree with you on this one...

regards
marlon

 

[gerben]

the god damned theatre that is unfolding on national tv is sickening and i want to puke everytime i see the pope.

I feel similar

(it just feels bad that so many people are interested in something like this)

 

[marlon]

I feel similar

(it just feels bad that so many people are interested in something like this)

Well, maybe the catholic church has more influence and impact on people's life then you want to admit. Maybe...just maybe...


marlon

 

[dextercioby]

I still think the media (TV especially) can be used for other purposes than getting morbid news...

Daniel.

 

[marlon]

I still think the media (TV especially) can be used for other purposes than getting morbid news...

Daniel.

First of all this isn't morbid news and secondly, then you should also ban reports on tsunami's, war, terrorists, politics, starvation,...What will remain ? physics ? pfff, boooooooring

marlon

 

[dextercioby]

It is morbid.It is showing a corpse and making fuss about a death.

Yes,i'd watch TV only for nature documentaries (Nat.Geographic & the Discovery channels) and sport.

Daniel.

 

[marlon]

It is morbid.It is showing a corpse and making fuss about a death.

That's a bit simplistic no ? Clearly, you are not familiar with the customs of the catholic church. Now, that is not a sin but then don't start to make false and hollow claims if you don't know what you are talking about.

Yes,i'd watch TV only for nature documentaries (Nat.Geographic & the Discovery channels)

Daniel.

BOOOOORRING :zzz: :zzz:

marlon :zzz:

 

[Monique]

It is morbid.It is showing a corpse and making fuss about a death.

Yes,i'd watch TV only for nature documentaries (Nat.Geographic & the Discovery channels) and sport.

Daniel.

Yesterday I watched seals clubbed to the head with a poke, being dragged across the ice on a hook and being skinned alive, in a news documentary.. that was shocking and sad

I agree that not everything needs to be shown on television, the informative value should be evaluated.

 

[marlon]

I agree that not everything needs to be shown on television, the informative value should be evaluated.

ohh no, let's not degenerate into one of them censorship-discussions. I think everything must be shown on TV. If you don't want to see it then just change the channel.

Besides, if you'd ask me to ban a type of TV-program i'd sure as hell go for all those animal-documentaries that bore you to death. it's illegal to kill people and as i recall, a documentary has the purpose of being instructive

marlon

 

[Monique]

ohh no, let's not degenerate into one of them censorship-discussions. I think everything must be shown on TV. If you don't want to see it then just change the channel.

I agree on journalistic freedom, but it really is not necessary to give all the gory details in visuals. I think it is morbid if someone is interested in seeing such images.

 

[marlon]

I agree on journalistic freedom, but it really is not necessary to give all the gory details in visuals. I think it is morbid if someone is interested in seeing such images.

I can relate, however bringing the truth (and nothing else but the truth) is what good journalism is about. The truth is often very cruel, but i prefer to see something real in stead of some masked, adapted, lame version of reality.

marlon

 

[dextercioby]

That's a bit simplistic no ? Clearly, you are not familiar with the customs of the catholic church.

And guess what,i don't want to be...

Now, that is not a sin but then don't start to make false and hollow claims if you don't know what you are talking about.

You're right it's a cos.It's no big difference,however,just \frac{\pi}{2}...

Tastes are not false and hollow claims.Should i get that u don't have tastes??

BOOOOORRING :zzz: :zzz:

marlon :zzz:

You just read my mind...

Daniel.

 

[dextercioby]

I can relate, however bringing the truth (and nothing else but the truth) is what good journalism is about. The truth is often very cruel, but i prefer to see something real in stead of some masked, adapted, lame version of reality.

marlon

There's an internet site just for that.I won't u give it to you,because you'd have nightmares about your "truth"...

Daniel.

 

[marlon]

And guess what,i don't want to be...

Then don't talk about something you know nothing about.


A taste is not the same as selling wrong information dexter, how many times do i need to repeat that to you ?

marlon

 

[marlon]

There's an internet site just for that.I won't u give it to you,because you'd have nightmares about your "truth"...

Daniel.

Boehoeee, i am so scared...Wake up boy, it's a cruel world out there.


marlon

 

[dextercioby]

I know and I'm keeping it away from u.

As for "selling wrong information",i think it has nothing to do with this thread & my posts in it...

Daniel.

 

[marlon]

I know and I'm keeping it away from u.

Don't mention sources that you cannot give.

As for "selling wrong information",i think it has nothing to do with this thread & my posts in it...

Daniel.

It has everything to do with that. Glad to see you are getting the point.

regards from your best CATHOLIC friend,

marlon

 

[dextercioby]

You know,i don't give a **** about my firiends' religion.Ooops,didn't mean it to sound that way.It's just that the religion and friendship (and reasons for it) are not compatible...Me & my friends never discuss religion.

Daniel.

 

[stoned]

it is all Pope's fault

 

[dextercioby]

Is that Alexander Pope...?Or some relative to Popeye the Sailor...?

Daniel.

 

[Clausius2]

Chill out Clausuis2, some people here ATTACKED the Pope in person and you did not say anything, it sounds you hate muslims and Islam more than you are loyal to your religuos [I don't think i am wrong, still i am not arrogant and happy to show me if i ,being a human, can be wrong] Regardless of my religion [if i have any] i have an issue(s) to say:

Colonization, WW1, WW2, SLAVERY +discrimination against Jew, Muslims, Blacks, Native Indians and many other i guess you should go truthfully serach for the Catholic Church position from them at those times and now. I know you are smart, Engineer Guru, and you can use google, its not a taboo

Muslims Leaders ..etc? Man generalizing is at least: NOT cool [specially other stuff as well u said without proofs]. Do you accept other humans generalize about christianty via seeing the colonization or the crusades don't by Catholics [& other christian gruops] I think the logic asnwer is: NO.

Islam religion is amazing, Muslims leaders can do good or bad, and luckily always the majority of them are justice scholars. Islam make the Eastern Roman Empire and Persoan who were enemis a BROTHER and SISTER under Islam Advance in science in middle ages is majorly becuase of muslims scientist who gave to ALL humanity.

Muslims now don't have their Top religuios leader, the Caliph since WW1. Why? The Anti-muslim and religion goverments of the European Colonizers desttoy the only Super Power against their colonization plans, specially in the Holy Land and the Middle east. I will not speak about the Pope Situation at that time from that...at least i am sure Muslims favors to the world are NOT LESS of the Christians, I amk sure too they, as not-perfect humans did not less ahrm to humanity [got it?] Spreading happiness and bortherhood in the age of Crusaders and Colonization that stole others moeny and spread pain and TERRORISM

Once again, Clasuis2, Plz accept my sadness sharing in losing Pope John Paul II, he done very good actions worth to thank him for it. At last, Quran NEVER Called Christians unfaithful. Quran disagree with the fact Christians worhsip Jesus the Messenger of God to the Israelis + other stuff. Quran call them "Coverers" i.e they "Cover" some favors of God by worshippin other beside him,Chaging His Book the Gospel "of Jesus" and making major erros in disobying His laws.

I hope if a muslim come and see this thread, he won't be offended by your "propaganda" against them. May The Heat, The Heat of the ignorance be cooled down. Peace be upon open minded people, good wishes to others.

Surprisingly this thread has not been closed yet...

I know some persons are offended when they hear the Truth, because the Truth disturbs some alienated minds.

Every christian and catholic is able to admit that catholic church practised horrible crimes in the past. And probably we are ashamed of that. By the way, catholic church DO NOT NEED to apologize about getting rid of the arabs during the Reconquist of the spanish kingdoms. Al-Andalus was our property much time ago they arrived. So we merely counteracted under an agression.

The main problem with muslim religion, muslim religion supporters and muslim religion leaders is that they HAVE NOT EVOLUTIONATED. They are sticked to the past, sticked to old revenges (they are claiming the Holy War every day!, aren't we Holy too?, or are they the unique people of the world which waves the right of being Holy?, aren't the rest of wars Holies?.). They are instabilizing the world claiming for OLD troubles. And they are not capable of forgetting about it.

Yes, mulims made a great contribution in middle ages, but the main problem is that they remain there nowadays. They haven't left middle ages. And it's time now.

The main conclusion you, or any muslim over here, can extract of this thread is about the extraordinary behavior of the Pope as far as religious convergence and world convivence was improved by this great moral leader.

 

[Moses]

Amen to that my dear friend. I completely agree with you on this one...

regards
marlon

Amen? If Jesus was here, he will not say this reply by any means...

For the second time the role abuot religion on this forums is broken. And attacking a religion of other people.

Evo, i do trust in your justice, even by dealing with members of high posts and a heavy wieght on this forum. Others are having EQUAL rights with them since they are EQUAL human. Please take a wise action for dealing with this, thanks in advance.

I swear to God, who created me out of nothing, if some one now pop-up and attack the religion of Judaism here, i will leave. I do think PF is not a place to attack other religions [even if it s tupid attack]. If it is, i will go for justified defense. I am offended deeply by hatred and racist (religionist) atttitude by some mebers here.

Waiting for the proper action.

 

[cronxeh]

if Jesus was here.. he would smack the ********** out of a lot of people.

And Moses, please reply to my post about Topeka, Kansas based Westboro Baptist Church's views - they are after all, from your camp, and not my opinions

 

[Moses]

Surprisingly this thread has not been closed yet...

The main problem with muslim religion, muslim religion supporters and muslim religion leaders is that they HAVE NOT EVOLUTIONATED. They are sticked to the past, sticked to old revenges (they are claiming the Holy War every day!, aren't we Holy too?, or are they the unique people of the world which waves the right of being Holy?, aren't the rest of wars Holies?.). They are instabilizing the world claiming for OLD troubles. And they are not capable of forgetting about it.

Evo, its the third time a racist (religionsit) offense occured. I do trust in a mature dealing with this issue.

Regardelss of my religion, I am NOT the son of monkey, I am the Son Of Women, and Man. Muslims Evolutioned? well, Christian eurpoe is "evolutioned" by becoming more athiest, and secualr. I do think it is not wise if muslims took this appraoch. Further, Iraq, Afghanistan, Kashmir, Chenchynia, Bosnia and Palestine truobles are not OLD, but i think it is a consequence of an OLD hatred by some sides, sadly

I am not cruel offend other reglions even without logic-proof i won't critize religions here since i do respect the furom rules.

"War on terrorism will be a CRUSADE war" George W. Bush, Sept 12, 2001

Defending against offense on religion [defending is legal on this website] I do challenge you, Clausuis2, to show me ONE PLACE mentioned Holy War in Islamic religion. Rest assured, Jihad means struggle, e.g. struggle against doing bad, fighting the invaders...etc

My Mom having blue eyes and blonde hair. You know why? She is visigoth actually and her ancestors kicked out from Spain during the Holocoaust against muslims, not by Hitler who did it again against innocent jews. Iberia and EVERY LAND is for its natives, the natives want to change their religion, what is your problem? Should you go and colonize Turkey in a new crusade just becuase the Eastern Roman Empire became muslim?

 

[Clausius2]

Amen? If Jesus was here, he will not say this reply by any means...

For the second time the role abuot religion on this forums is broken. And attacking a religion of other people.

Evo, i do trust in your justice, even by dealing with members of high posts and a heavy wieght on this forum. Others are having EQUAL rights with them since they are EQUAL human. Please take a wise action for dealing with this, thanks in advance.

I swear to God, who created me out of nothing, if some one now pop-up and attack the religion of Judaism here, i will leave. I do think PF is not a place to attack other religions [even if it s tupid attack]. If it is, i will go for justified defense. I am offended deeply by hatred and racist (religionist) atttitude by some mebers here.

Waiting for the proper action.

Racism? Justice? Attacking? Stupid? What are you saying?

You're offside.

I am not attacking anyone!

Here, at PF, at Occident, there is the most precious possesion we have: DEMOCRACY. I am free to express my thinkings always I do it politely, and I have done it politely. You can disagree, and you are welcome to do that. This is not a dictatorship, as some arab regimes.

An stupid attack? Where galaxy do you live?. Besides you are unable of defend your point of view (which is undefendable by the way), you have fallen into impoliteness.

 

[cronxeh]

This is hilarious.

 

[arildno]

Regardelss of my religion, I am NOT the son of monkey..

Who brainwashed you into this distorted representation of the theory of evolution?
Do you not understand why they brainwashed you into believing in their twisted views?

 

[Clausius2]

fighting the invaders...etc

the main problem is you think there are invaders where it is impossible an invasion, because that ground is not yours.

kicked out from Spain during the Holocoaust against muslims,

Holocaust?. The muslims INVADED Andalucia (I prefer this name rather than Al-Andalus). And they haven't got any permission to do so. Any holocaust, after the holocaust of christians made by the muslim during this invasion, was justified.

 

[Clausius2]

The fact muslim religion and muslims have not evolutioned since middle ages is a proved fact by several intelligent brains of all the world. The fanatism and the wrong social organisations (hidden dictatorships, lack of human rights) of their world is sufficient proof of my statement.

 

[dextercioby]

This is hilarious.

No,it's General Disgusting !

Okay,please,someone,close it/this thread !

Daniel.

 

[dextercioby]

Okay.There's a good reason to close it.

Clausius,you're not in the right to judge other people's religion and its impact upon their society.Keep in mind that Tomas de Torquemada was both Catholic and Spanish.So shut it.

Daniel.

 

[klusener]

Clausius, buddy, I think you are generalizing a whole religion based on the actions of a few people, true there are some Muslims who do bad things, but the same way there are also Catholics, Protestants, Buddhists, Hindus, Jews, Rastafarians, (and all other religions) who do bad things, but you don't make your opinion of a whole culture, a religion, based on the actions of a few deviated groups.

 

[Moses]

Who brainwashed you into this distorted representation of the theory of evolution?
Do you not understand why they brainwashed you into believing in their twisted views?

Lol arlidno, take it easy! well, honestly i do disagree with some parts of this theaory [which it is not our topic here]. I said this to show Clasuis how RUDE he is by savin that muslims shuold evovle...they are not LESS human. They are equal.

I do hate blind faith, I disagree strongly with faith without logic. and ofcourse brainwashing

[Well, if i have time i will see we can discuess it on biology forum]

 

[Artman]

And Moses, please reply to my post about Topeka, Kansas based Westboro Baptist Church's views - they are after all, from your camp, and not my opinions

They are their own camp. They are not Christians, because the Bible sums up the teachings of Jesus in two phrases, "Love God" and "love your neighbor". I don't see that they do either, they certainly do not do the second, considering their website is hate based.

 

[Moses]

the main problem is you think there are invaders where it is impossible an invasion, because that ground is not yours.



Holocaust?. The muslims INVADED Andalucia (I prefer this name rather than Al-Andalus). And they haven't got any permission to do so. Any holocaust, after the holocaust of christians made by the muslim during this invasion, was justified.

What i hear? Man this is so SICK! justifying evil if others did evil. By you ... logic so Al-Qaeda now is right if they bomb U.S becuase of their invasion for Iraq. OMG!

Further, THEY GOT a permission, Visigoth Kings did picry against muslims ships, MANY PRINCES of IBERIA INVITE the muslims to go the lebarate from curropted Kings of the visigoth [again, not Spanish who came from other regions and invaded the Visigoth lands, just becuase they change their religion]. Then, Visigoth want to Unite with the peaceful Islamic regieme, what is you problem, LOL?

Take it easy, i am not racist nor religionist, call the land whatever you want, i do respect all the human languages equally. My brother in humanity [according to me at least]

 

[Moses]

The fact muslim religion and muslims have not evolutioned since middle ages is a proved fact by several intelligent brains of all the world. The fanatism and the wrong social organisations (hidden dictatorships, lack of human rights) of their world is sufficient proof of my statement.

Again! Dude, generalizing about muslims and Islam:
a. I will not speak about Catholic religion here, since it is against PF rules to speak about religion

b.Using the term evolutioned is NOT cool!

Clasusius, you are wanting to make me an opponent and start bragging about your self and offend others with you hatred. Its hopeless to get me out of my defensive position.

oh btw, Africa and their christians countries are not really developed you know why? I will not speak without a proof like you and attack others religion. Simply becuase colonization powers steal the black man resources and moeny so they can use it for their govermantal greed...