Rippled surface on lake ends abruptly

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the observation of a distinct line on the surface of Lake Constance, where calm water transitions to a more rippled surface. Participants explore potential explanations for this phenomenon, considering factors such as wind effects and underwater topography.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes the abrupt transition between calm and rippled water and questions how the underwater topography might influence surface ripples.
  • Another participant suggests that the bottom has minimal effect on waves if the water is deeper than the wavelength, referencing a source on limnology.
  • A different participant shares personal observations, indicating that wind affects certain areas of the water surface, causing ripples to appear and disappear as the breeze shifts.
  • One participant agrees that light breezes create ripples and suggests that the correlation with underwater features may be coincidental and temporary.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the influence of underwater topography versus wind effects on surface ripples, indicating that multiple competing explanations remain without consensus.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the depth of water and its relationship to wave behavior, as well as the specific impact of wind patterns on the observed surface conditions.

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Hi.

I've made these pictures on Reichenau Island in Lake Constance, Germany. I was suprized about that clear line between the calm area close to the shore and the more rippled surface further out. The wind was weak, but directed from water to land.

From a pier I could see that the ground drops abruptly by 1-2 meters just about under that line. But how could this possibly affect those small surface ripples that much?

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The bottom has little, if any, effect on waves if the water is deeper than the distance from one wave crest to the next. The figure below is from Limnology, Third Edition, by Robert Wetzel:
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Is there a tree line near the water's edge that blocks the wind such that the wind velocity drops at the water surface where the waves stop?
 

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greypilgrim said:
I've made these pictures on Reichenau Island in Lake Constance, Germany. I was suprized about that clear line between the calm area close to the shore and the more rippled surface further out. The wind was weak, but directed from water to land.
Hi,
I have seen this so very often over the years. The breeze is just blowing across areas of the water. If you watch long enough,
you will see the wind affected areas moving around on the water.
As a result some of the water is in the breeze, some isn't.Dave
 
Agree. Those ripples are caused by light breezes touching the water surface. Sailors use these to spot and anticipate puffs.

The correlation with bottom features is surely coincidental and temporary.
 
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